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Having a worldview is a political act. In fact, even having a sense of right and wrong is political. My point is that humans are inherently political beings: we

by basfo 2y ago

Having a worldview is a political act. In fact, even having a sense of right and wrong is political. My point is that humans are inherently political beings: we don’t live in a vacuum, and our values, life choices, and even our language arise from a particular social system. Everything we do is political. Your perspective seems limited to the more common or everyday meaning of “political,” and I understand that; however, in social studies, “political” usually has a much broader scope.

andsoitis 2y ago
> In fact, even having a sense of right and wrong is political. You’re confusing politics with ethics. Ethics is the branch of philosophy that studies moral principles and values, focusing on what is right, wrong, good, or bad in human behavior. Ethics focuses on morality, while politics addresses power and governance, though they often overlap in discussions of justice and societal well-being. > Having a worldview is a political act. Having a worldview is not inherently a political act, but it can become political when that worldview influences or interacts with societal structures, policies, or governance. A worldview shapes how you see justice, power, and societal organization, which may align with or challenge political systems or ideologies.
- basfo 2y ago
  Just the fact that you dress up is a political act, you are accepting and reproducing that being naked is wrong, or at least you do it because you can't do it otherwise due to social punishment. Or you go naked, and that's also a political stance. If you live in a society, everything you do is political. And that's ok, there isn't anything wrong with that. >Having a worldview is not inherently a political act yes it is, because that world view doesn't come up to your head in the vaccum, is result of all social interactions you had in your life and every thing you saw etc, and from that you are creating a political posture. You may not take any action and be completely silent about it the rest of your life (doubtful) but even not talking about it is a political act.
kazinator 2y ago
> Having a worldview is a political act. Are you in the USA? This is just something they promulgate in the educational system, along with the idea that there is always room for another opinion that is just as valid, even after domain experts have reached consensus using rational evidence.
- jakelazaroff 2y ago
  So you’re saying that… their worldview is a result of politics.
  - kazinator 2y ago
    Yes, the the doctrine that no human thought or action is politics-free, is itself politically motivated, and the worldview which subscribes to it is political. It's a doctrine which suits the narratives of all sorts of political activists. Slogans like "if you're not with us you're against us" belong to this doctrine. Every thought you have is political, and so if you're thinking something that doesn't align with our politics, it must be different politics. Different politics is bad and against us. The doctrine is just something someone made up. It is not justified by rational evidence of any kind.
    - jakelazaroff 2y ago
      Right, right. Meanwhile, your worldview is both rational and objective; not influenced by politics of any sort. Very convenient!
      - kazinator 2y ago
        You are mixing up things: I criticized a worldview and a doctrine, but what is wrong with the doctrine isn't that it claims "every worldview is political", but that "all human thought and action is political". If it were the former, it would be uncontroversial. I don't disagree with the claim that worldviews are political. The concept of a world view is a set of perspectives and opinions which encompass the human sphere of existence, which has a big political content. (The ideas contained in a worldview are not all political; a worldview needs facts, too, like salt being sodium and chloride, which isn't something voted on in a parliament.) So, yes, while my worldview necessarily encompasses political topics, I also have thoughts that are rational and unrelated to politics. Or possibly even to a worldview.

by basfo 2y ago

andsoitis 2y ago

> In fact, even having a sense of right and wrong is political. You’re confusing politics with ethics. Ethics is the branch of philosophy that studies moral principles and values, focusing on what is right, wrong, good, or bad in human behavior. Ethics focuses on morality, while politics addresses power and governance, though they often overlap in discussions of justice and societal well-being. > Having a worldview is a political act. Having a worldview is not inherently a political act, but it can become political when that worldview influences or interacts with societal structures, policies, or governance. A worldview shapes how you see justice, power, and societal organization, which may align with or challenge political systems or ideologies.

basfo 2y ago
Just the fact that you dress up is a political act, you are accepting and reproducing that being naked is wrong, or at least you do it because you can't do it otherwise due to social punishment. Or you go naked, and that's also a political stance. If you live in a society, everything you do is political. And that's ok, there isn't anything wrong with that. >Having a worldview is not inherently a political act yes it is, because that world view doesn't come up to your head in the vaccum, is result of all social interactions you had in your life and every thing you saw etc, and from that you are creating a political posture. You may not take any action and be completely silent about it the rest of your life (doubtful) but even not talking about it is a political act.

kazinator 2y ago

> Having a worldview is a political act. Are you in the USA? This is just something they promulgate in the educational system, along with the idea that there is always room for another opinion that is just as valid, even after domain experts have reached consensus using rational evidence.

jakelazaroff 2y ago
So you’re saying that… their worldview is a result of politics.
- kazinator 2y ago
  Yes, the the doctrine that no human thought or action is politics-free, is itself politically motivated, and the worldview which subscribes to it is political. It's a doctrine which suits the narratives of all sorts of political activists. Slogans like "if you're not with us you're against us" belong to this doctrine. Every thought you have is political, and so if you're thinking something that doesn't align with our politics, it must be different politics. Different politics is bad and against us. The doctrine is just something someone made up. It is not justified by rational evidence of any kind.
  - jakelazaroff 2y ago
    Right, right. Meanwhile, your worldview is both rational and objective; not influenced by politics of any sort. Very convenient!
    - kazinator 2y ago
      You are mixing up things: I criticized a worldview and a doctrine, but what is wrong with the doctrine isn't that it claims "every worldview is political", but that "all human thought and action is political". If it were the former, it would be uncontroversial. I don't disagree with the claim that worldviews are political. The concept of a world view is a set of perspectives and opinions which encompass the human sphere of existence, which has a big political content. (The ideas contained in a worldview are not all political; a worldview needs facts, too, like salt being sodium and chloride, which isn't something voted on in a parliament.) So, yes, while my worldview necessarily encompasses political topics, I also have thoughts that are rational and unrelated to politics. Or possibly even to a worldview.