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Dude come on, saying FSD "routinely" kills people is just delusional (and provably wrong). No idea why Musk just lives rent-free in folks' heads like this. He's
by dvt 2y ago
Dude come on, saying FSD "routinely" kills people is just delusional (and provably wrong). No idea why Musk just lives rent-free in folks' heads like this. He's just a random douchebag billionaire, there's scores of 'em.
- kube-system 2y agoWould it be wrong to say that people routinely die in car accidents in general? Not really, it's quite a common cause of death. And Tesla's systems have statistically similar death rates. They're reasonably safe when compared to people. But honestly, for a computer that never gets tired or distracted, that's pretty shit performance.
- asdff 2y agoJust like how computerized airplanes don’t crash or computerized boats don’t sink, huh.
- kube-system 2y agoI don't know much about boats, but automated flight controls absolutely do have statistically relevant lower rates of death, by far.
- asdff 2y agoI was just pushing against the sentiment that because something is computerized it works perfectly every time. Which for anyone who has exited their home and looked at this world, would also conclude is a false sentiment.
- kube-system 2y agoI don’t think anyone was suggesting otherwise.
- michaelmrose 2y agoThey don't have similar death rates compared to cars in general they have a very mediocre pole position in safety compared to all autos and a remarkably bad position compared to cars in their age and price bracket. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highest-fatal-accident-rate-of-all-auto-brands-study/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highes...
- kube-system 2y agoThat article cites a Hyundai model as having the top fatality rate. And several Tesla models as not far behind. That is statistical similarity. They are not way off in some other safety category like motorcycles or airplanes.
- michaelmrose 2y agoThe worst model is a Hyundai. They are the worst manufacturer overall by dint of having a plethora of bad hardware. The strange thing is high end cars normally have as part of their appeal higher end safety features. Either Tesla is just a pos which is unsafe at any speed or its self driving features are so good at offing people it more than makes up for any other factor.
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- kube-system 2y agoThe Model Y was 6th behind that Hyundai and 5 other passenger vehicles from other manufacturers. They were all well within an order of magnitude of each other. This is the similarity I was referring to above.
- michaelmrose 2y agoEverything tesla makes is among the worst as far as safety whilst being among the most expensive common vehicles. If you average the scores of all models Tesla is worst because they don't make anything other than lemons safetywise. 1950s cars without seatbelts were probably in the same order of magnitude as is riding a mothercycle its a weird stadard. In actuality you are more than twice as likely to die if you drive a Tesla. 4x if you pick the model by.