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>joint Russian/Ukrainian exercise Nope, that was Ukrainian exercise

by protomolecule 2y ago

ponector 2y ago
Any proofs? Everywhere articles says that accident was during joint exercise.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  They were 'joint' because the Ukraine used a test range in Crimea that belongs to Russian Black Sea fleet based in Sevastopol. All launches were authorized by Ukrainians, Russians fired a single short-range missile and that's it. But, yeah, let's call it joint Russian-Ukrainian to shift the blame towards Russians. You can read the details here using google translate if you like: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катастрофа_Ту-154_над_Чёрным_морем#Военные_учения_4_октября_2001_года https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катастрофа_Ту-154_над_Чёрным_м...
  - ponector 2y ago
    Russian generals, Russian troops taking participation in exercise. Russians firing a rocket. Exercise located at Russian shooting range. And yet you wrote it was not a joint exercise. Russia Today can be proud of you, comrade!
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      Was the Iraq war a joint war of the US and Ukraine against Iraq? [0] If you say it was, then okay, the exercise was joint too. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_involvement_in_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_involvement_in_the_I...
  - oldgradstudent 2y ago
    > But, yeah, let's call it joint Russian-Ukrainian to shift the blame towards Russians. No, I mentioned it because a joint Russian-Ukrainian exercise is unthinkable now.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      My apologies then.
lkbm 2y ago
Using Google Translate on the Wikipedia citation[0]: > On the Ukrainian website “Maidan-inform” expressed doubts about whose arsenal – Russian or Ukrainian – the S-200 missile was fired. Russian equipment, radar stations and warships also participated in the training. Ukraine shot it down, but it sure sounds like a joint exercise. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20160508084452/http://2001.novayagazeta.ru/nomer/2001/75n/n75n-s00.shtml https://web.archive.org/web/20160508084452/http://2001.novay...

>joint Russian/Ukrainian exercise Nope, that was Ukrainian exercise

ponector 2y ago

Any proofs? Everywhere articles says that accident was during joint exercise.

protomolecule 2y ago
They were 'joint' because the Ukraine used a test range in Crimea that belongs to Russian Black Sea fleet based in Sevastopol. All launches were authorized by Ukrainians, Russians fired a single short-range missile and that's it. But, yeah, let's call it joint Russian-Ukrainian to shift the blame towards Russians. You can read the details here using google translate if you like: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катастрофа_Ту-154_над_Чёрным_морем#Военные_учения_4_октября_2001_года https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катастрофа_Ту-154_над_Чёрным_м...
- ponector 2y ago
  Russian generals, Russian troops taking participation in exercise. Russians firing a rocket. Exercise located at Russian shooting range. And yet you wrote it was not a joint exercise. Russia Today can be proud of you, comrade!
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    Was the Iraq war a joint war of the US and Ukraine against Iraq? [0] If you say it was, then okay, the exercise was joint too. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_involvement_in_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_involvement_in_the_I...
- oldgradstudent 2y ago
  > But, yeah, let's call it joint Russian-Ukrainian to shift the blame towards Russians. No, I mentioned it because a joint Russian-Ukrainian exercise is unthinkable now.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    My apologies then.

lkbm 2y ago

Using Google Translate on the Wikipedia citation[0]: > On the Ukrainian website “Maidan-inform” expressed doubts about whose arsenal – Russian or Ukrainian – the S-200 missile was fired. Russian equipment, radar stations and warships also participated in the training. Ukraine shot it down, but it sure sounds like a joint exercise. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20160508084452/http://2001.novayagazeta.ru/nomer/2001/75n/n75n-s00.shtml https://web.archive.org/web/20160508084452/http://2001.novay...