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> modern AI is much smarter than a brown rat at some things (I don't think brown rats can pass the bar exam), but in other cases it becomes apparent that it isn
by cynicalpeace 2y ago
> modern AI is much smarter than a brown rat at some things (I don't think brown rats can pass the bar exam), but in other cases it becomes apparent that it isn't "intelligent" at all
There is no modern AI system that can go into your house and find a piece of cheese.
The whole notion that modern AI is somehow "intelligent", yet can't tell me where the dishwasher is in my house is hilarious. My 3 year old son can tell me where the dishwasher is. A well trained dog could do so.
It's the result of a nerdy definition of "intelligence" which excludes anything to do with common sense, street smarts, emotional intelligence, or creativity (last one might be debatable but I've found it extremely difficult to prompt AI to write amazingly unique and creative stories reliably)
The AI systems need bodies to actually learn these things.
- CooCooCaCha 2y agoWhere do you think common sense, emotional intelligence, creativity, etc. come from? The spirit? Some magic brain juice? No, it comes from neurons, synapses, signals, chemicals, etc.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoIt comes from billions of years of evolution, the struggle to survive and maintain your body long enough to reproduce. "Neurons, synapses, signals, chemicals" are downstream of that.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoWhy would dust care about survival?
- cynicalpeace 2y ago¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Consult a bible
- FrustratedMonky 2y agoa 'dust to dust' joke? Or just saying, when facing the apocalypse, read a bible?
- bee_rider 2y agoIt doesn’t. Actually, quite a few of the early stages of evolution wouldn’t have any analogue to “care,” right? It just happened in this one environment, the most successful self-reproducing processes happened to be get more complex over time and eventually hit the point where they could do, and then even later define, things like “care.”
- mensetmanusman 2y agoCould be
- mulmen 2y agoWithout biological reproduction wouldn’t the evolutionary outcomes be different? Cyborgs are built in factories, not wombs.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoThere are robots that can do this now, they just cost $100k.
- uoaei 2y agoThat's just the hardware, but AI as currently practiced is purely a software endeavor.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoCorrect, and the next frontier is combining the software with the hardware.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoFind a piece of cheese pretty much anywhere in my home? Or if we're comparing to a three year old, also find the dishwasher? Closest I'm aware of is something by Boston Dynamics or Tesla, but neither would be as simple as asking it- wheres the dishwasher in my home? And then if we compare it to a ten year old, find the woodstove in my home, tell me the temperature, and adjust the air intake appropriately. And so on. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying there's no AI system that has this physical intelligence yet, because the robot technology isn't well developed/integrated yet. For AI to be something more than a nerd it needs a body and I'm aware there are people working on it. Ironically, not the people claiming to be in search of AGI.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoIf you upload pictures of every room in your house to an LLM it can definitely tell you where the dishwasher is. If your argument is just that they cant walk around your house so they cant be intelligent I think thats pretty clearly wrong.
- kimixa 2y agoA trained image recognition model could probably recognize a dishwasher from an image. But that won't be the same model that writes bad poetry or tries to autocomplete your next line of code. Or control the legs of a robot to move towards the dishwasher while holding a dirty plate. And each has a fair bit of manual tuning and preprocessing based on its function which may simply not be applicable to other areas even with scale. The best performing models aren't just taking in unstructured untyped data. Even the most flexible models are only tackling a small slice of what "intelligence" is.
- jdietrich 2y agoChatGPT, Gemini and Claude are all natively multimodal. They can recognise a dishwasher from an image, among many other things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwNUJ69RbwY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwNUJ69RbwY
- cynicalpeace 2y agoCan they take the pictures?
- ta988 2y agoTechnically yes they can run functions. There were experiments of Claude used to run a robot around a house. So technically, we are not far at all and current models may even be able to do it.
- cynicalpeace 2y agoPlease re-read my original comment. "The AI systems need bodies to actually learn these things." I never said this was impossible to achieve.
- theamk 2y agoThat really makes no sense.. would you say someone who is disabled bellow the neck is not intellegent / has no common sense, street smaets, creativity, etc...? Or would you say that you cannot judge the intellegence of someone by reading their books / exchanging emails with them?
- cynicalpeace 2y agoYou absolutely cannot judge the intelligence of someone by their text. My dad is Deaf and doesn't write well, but he can build a beautiful house.