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Are you still a coder when you use AI 100 times a day? AI is a type of outsourcing, you became a customer.

by croes 2y ago

yyyyz 2y ago
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- utopicwork 2y ago
  Ask your ai search engine of choice what the Dunning–Kruger effect is
  - raincole 2y ago
    Well actually (nerdy_guy_emoji) (finger_pointing) Dunning-Kruger effect isn't what you think it is.
- croes 2y ago
  How would the a 12 year old with ChatGPT recognize complicateed errors? You still need experience to check the code not only the result otherwise you get this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42235630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42235630
- smithcoin 2y ago
  > Coding as a profession is completely obsolete. Citation needed.
  - croes 2y ago
    Maybe this one https://decrypt.co/246216/ai-could-make-coders-obsolete-in-two-years-aws-chief-predicts https://decrypt.co/246216/ai-could-make-coders-obsolete-in-t...
- hyhconito 2y ago
  You sound like the guy I just had to fire after blowing his toes off several times. If you think you are obsolete or faster than anyone else with these tools then you only naive enough to have lost your objectivity to the marketing. I deal with real risk and failures from the output of ChatGPT which have serious financial consequences. The first victim is always the developer, then the tester. At best, it is very good at ousting people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a damn computer.
- croes 2y ago
  BTW if you believe you own words why are you still a developer? You're obsolete and will be replaced by a 12 year old.
- tcmart14 2y ago
  We've got a senior dev who uses ChatGPT for his code all the time. Right now I am currently fixing all the exceptions 'his code' pops. Well, I shouldn't say what his code pops. The code ChatGPT generated for him. He just asks ChatGPT, copy pasta, doesn't even run it and checks it in.
mbernstein 2y ago
Not outsourcing at all - you're are an engineer using the tools that make sense to solve a problem. The core issue with identifying as just a coder is that code is just one of many potential tools to solve a problem.
- croes 2y ago
  Could you distinguish code written by an AI from code written by a fake AI that is actually a human being? Something/someone other writes the code, that's outsourcing. I wouldn't consider myself an artist if I create a picture per midjourney.
  - arkh 2y ago
    Do you write binary code or use a compiler? Do you design all the NAND gates in your processor to get the exact program you want out of it or use a general purpose processor? Current "coding" is just a detail of what you want to do: solve problems. Which can require making a machine do what you want it to.
    - croes 2y ago
      So your customer/employer is a coder too. They want solve a problem and use a tool: You. A coder writes code in a programming language, that what distinguishes them from the customers who use natural language. The coder is the translator between the customer and the machine. If the machine does that, the machine is the coder.
      - mbernstein 2y ago
        Is your customer bringing you the solution to the problem or the problem and asking you to solve the problem? One is a translation activity and the other isn't.
        croes 2y ago
        Do you tell GPT how to write the code or just what the result should be?
nlh 2y ago
If you're sitting in front of the keyboard, inputting instructions and running the resulting programs, yes you are still a coder. You're just move another layer up on the stack. The same type of argument has been made for decades -- when coders wrote in ASM, folks would ask "are you still a coder when you use that fancy C to make all that low-level ASM obsolete?". Etc etc.
- croes 2y ago
  So if I sit in front of the keyboard and write an email with instructions to my programmer I‘m a coder.
owenpalmer 2y ago
Are you still a coder when you use libraries or frameworks? You didn't write the code yourself, you're just outsourcing it.
- croes 2y ago
  If I only use frameworks and not any code of my own I‘m not a coder anymore. Do consider script kiddies hackers?

Are you still a coder when you use AI 100 times a day? AI is a type of outsourcing, you became a customer.

by croes 2y ago

Are you still a coder when you use AI 100 times a day? AI is a type of outsourcing, you became a customer.

yyyyz 2y ago

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utopicwork 2y ago
Ask your ai search engine of choice what the Dunning–Kruger effect is
- raincole 2y ago
  Well actually (nerdy_guy_emoji) (finger_pointing) Dunning-Kruger effect isn't what you think it is.
croes 2y ago
How would the a 12 year old with ChatGPT recognize complicateed errors? You still need experience to check the code not only the result otherwise you get this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42235630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42235630
smithcoin 2y ago
> Coding as a profession is completely obsolete. Citation needed.
- croes 2y ago
  Maybe this one https://decrypt.co/246216/ai-could-make-coders-obsolete-in-two-years-aws-chief-predicts https://decrypt.co/246216/ai-could-make-coders-obsolete-in-t...
hyhconito 2y ago
You sound like the guy I just had to fire after blowing his toes off several times. If you think you are obsolete or faster than anyone else with these tools then you only naive enough to have lost your objectivity to the marketing. I deal with real risk and failures from the output of ChatGPT which have serious financial consequences. The first victim is always the developer, then the tester. At best, it is very good at ousting people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a damn computer.
croes 2y ago
BTW if you believe you own words why are you still a developer? You're obsolete and will be replaced by a 12 year old.
tcmart14 2y ago
We've got a senior dev who uses ChatGPT for his code all the time. Right now I am currently fixing all the exceptions 'his code' pops. Well, I shouldn't say what his code pops. The code ChatGPT generated for him. He just asks ChatGPT, copy pasta, doesn't even run it and checks it in.

mbernstein 2y ago

Not outsourcing at all - you're are an engineer using the tools that make sense to solve a problem. The core issue with identifying as just a coder is that code is just one of many potential tools to solve a problem.

croes 2y ago
Could you distinguish code written by an AI from code written by a fake AI that is actually a human being? Something/someone other writes the code, that's outsourcing. I wouldn't consider myself an artist if I create a picture per midjourney.
- arkh 2y ago
  Do you write binary code or use a compiler? Do you design all the NAND gates in your processor to get the exact program you want out of it or use a general purpose processor? Current "coding" is just a detail of what you want to do: solve problems. Which can require making a machine do what you want it to.
  - croes 2y ago
    So your customer/employer is a coder too. They want solve a problem and use a tool: You. A coder writes code in a programming language, that what distinguishes them from the customers who use natural language. The coder is the translator between the customer and the machine. If the machine does that, the machine is the coder.
    - mbernstein 2y ago
      Is your customer bringing you the solution to the problem or the problem and asking you to solve the problem? One is a translation activity and the other isn't.
      - croes 2y ago
        Do you tell GPT how to write the code or just what the result should be?

nlh 2y ago

If you're sitting in front of the keyboard, inputting instructions and running the resulting programs, yes you are still a coder. You're just move another layer up on the stack. The same type of argument has been made for decades -- when coders wrote in ASM, folks would ask "are you still a coder when you use that fancy C to make all that low-level ASM obsolete?". Etc etc.

croes 2y ago
So if I sit in front of the keyboard and write an email with instructions to my programmer I‘m a coder.

owenpalmer 2y ago

Are you still a coder when you use libraries or frameworks? You didn't write the code yourself, you're just outsourcing it.

croes 2y ago
If I only use frameworks and not any code of my own I‘m not a coder anymore. Do consider script kiddies hackers?