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What adversarial intelligence would fly drones at night extremely low with their lights on? IMO most likely commercial LIDAR mapping by some company that’d rat

What adversarial intelligence would fly drones at night extremely low with their lights on? IMO most likely commercial LIDAR mapping by some company that’d rather remain stealth.

mattmaroon 2y ago
None and in most cases it’s not even clear it’s happening. Due to perspective, a plane far away and a drone up close could look very similar at night when all you can see are lights in a dark sky.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Totally, it at least seems quite clear it's not happening anywhere near the extent to which it's suspected of happening. Drones fly around. It's legal. It's fun. It's interesting for countless reasons to countless people. Really speaks to the state of our information environment that so many have been thrown into an absolute tizzy.
  - mattmaroon 2y ago
    Most people just don’t know much about drones or planes really. They don’t know how their brain interprets what it sees. Etc It’s obviously just mass hysteria.
    - aceazzameen 2y ago
      This would make a fascinating case study about how many people have never looked up at their own skies before. I also wouldn't be surprised if the hysteria is being amplified to distract from all the other nonsense in the world right now.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  A star light-years away also looks the same, and it's pretty hilarious when they're mistaken for "drones"
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    Pretty much any object in featureless space: ships on a flat body of water (sea, lake), aircraft in the sky, objects on flat terrain (plains, taiga, desert, sand, snow), objects in space. Even on other solar system bodies (the Moon, Mars, etc.), it's quite difficult to gauge scale and distance without terrestrial references (trees, structures, etc.) to guide the eye.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Sadly when the United States Coast Guard reports being followed by unknown drones (and unknown drones have been reported around military space by military personnel for years) and the government response is to say 'we don't know, and we are doing nothing' people tend to become concerned. The best way to stop vigilanties is to have a system of laws and and government that follows the laws and that instill trust in the people. When the government just shrugs, well... that's how you end up with horrible/idiotic vigilanytism. I'm a government institutions guy, but yes, let's attack people for... following basic human nature, not the government big brains that ignore basic realities of human nature about needing trust in stable/steady government institutions who instead just demand 'faith in government' that isn't earned. The government isn't just failing in actions, they are failing in understanding this BASIC requirement for governing.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  So... outlaw drones? Or are you proposing we just start shooting people's toys out of the sky? At what cost per drone is justifiable to achieve this? A couple hundred thousand dollars and risk of misfires, aviation accidents, and shrapnel? I think the people panicking about drones are not going to be a fan of a federal ban on them. Just my two cents though.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    I'm not proposing anything. I'm just pointing out when the government fails to lead/leaves a vacuum people can quickly turn to vigilantist/dumb type behavior and follow the first person/thought/idea that fills the void. Here the government said 'the United States Coast Guard mistook some 747s far away for 12 drones following their boat and if it wasn't planes then actually we assessed the 12 drones and found they aren't a threat, we don't know what they are, whose they are, or were they came from' and expected people to just go, hmm, ok, nevermind then. Nature abhors a vacuum. Government is there to help control/direct what it gets filled with when it's a societal one.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
Spooky23 2y ago
That’s what they want you to think. The sailors on the Iranian aircraft carrier and the Bigfoot pay close attention to FAA regulations.

What adversarial intelligence would fly drones at night extremely low with their lights on? IMO most likely commercial LIDAR mapping by some company that’d rather remain stealth.

mattmaroon 2y ago

None and in most cases it’s not even clear it’s happening. Due to perspective, a plane far away and a drone up close could look very similar at night when all you can see are lights in a dark sky.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Totally, it at least seems quite clear it's not happening anywhere near the extent to which it's suspected of happening. Drones fly around. It's legal. It's fun. It's interesting for countless reasons to countless people. Really speaks to the state of our information environment that so many have been thrown into an absolute tizzy.
- mattmaroon 2y ago
  Most people just don’t know much about drones or planes really. They don’t know how their brain interprets what it sees. Etc It’s obviously just mass hysteria.
  - aceazzameen 2y ago
    This would make a fascinating case study about how many people have never looked up at their own skies before. I also wouldn't be surprised if the hysteria is being amplified to distract from all the other nonsense in the world right now.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
A star light-years away also looks the same, and it's pretty hilarious when they're mistaken for "drones"
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  Pretty much any object in featureless space: ships on a flat body of water (sea, lake), aircraft in the sky, objects on flat terrain (plains, taiga, desert, sand, snow), objects in space. Even on other solar system bodies (the Moon, Mars, etc.), it's quite difficult to gauge scale and distance without terrestrial references (trees, structures, etc.) to guide the eye.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

Sadly when the United States Coast Guard reports being followed by unknown drones (and unknown drones have been reported around military space by military personnel for years) and the government response is to say 'we don't know, and we are doing nothing' people tend to become concerned. The best way to stop vigilanties is to have a system of laws and and government that follows the laws and that instill trust in the people. When the government just shrugs, well... that's how you end up with horrible/idiotic vigilanytism. I'm a government institutions guy, but yes, let's attack people for... following basic human nature, not the government big brains that ignore basic realities of human nature about needing trust in stable/steady government institutions who instead just demand 'faith in government' that isn't earned. The government isn't just failing in actions, they are failing in understanding this BASIC requirement for governing.

llamaimperative 2y ago
So... outlaw drones? Or are you proposing we just start shooting people's toys out of the sky? At what cost per drone is justifiable to achieve this? A couple hundred thousand dollars and risk of misfires, aviation accidents, and shrapnel? I think the people panicking about drones are not going to be a fan of a federal ban on them. Just my two cents though.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  I'm not proposing anything. I'm just pointing out when the government fails to lead/leaves a vacuum people can quickly turn to vigilantist/dumb type behavior and follow the first person/thought/idea that fills the void. Here the government said 'the United States Coast Guard mistook some 747s far away for 12 drones following their boat and if it wasn't planes then actually we assessed the 12 drones and found they aren't a threat, we don't know what they are, whose they are, or were they came from' and expected people to just go, hmm, ok, nevermind then. Nature abhors a vacuum. Government is there to help control/direct what it gets filled with when it's a societal one.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago

Spooky23 2y ago

That’s what they want you to think. The sailors on the Iranian aircraft carrier and the Bigfoot pay close attention to FAA regulations.