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What I find curious is that the people who sell the AI as the holy grail that will make any jobs obsolete in a few year at the same time claim that there's huge

by mrtksn 2y ago

What I find curious is that the people who sell the AI as the holy grail that will make any jobs obsolete in a few year at the same time claim that there's huge talent shortage and even engage in feud on immigration and spend capital to influence immigration policies. Apparently they don't believe that AI is about to revolutionize things that much. This makes me believe that significant part of the AI investment is just FOMO driven, so no real revolution is around the corner. Although we keep seeing claims that AI achieved PHD level this Olympics level that, people who actually own these keep demanding immigration policy changes to bring actual humans from overseas for year to come.

fhd2 2y ago
Is that so? I'm not in the US, so I don't have a good idea of what's going on there. But wasn't there relatively high unemployment among developers after all these Big Tech layoffs post pandemic? Shouldn't companies there have an easy time finding local talent? Sorry for the potentially silly question. I just spent some time trying to research it and came up with nothing concrete.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  > But wasn't there relatively high unemployment among developers after all these Big Tech layoffs post pandemic? I'm speculating too but yes it appears that unemployment is pretty high among the CS majors: https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/1hhl060/how_is_it_this_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/1hhl060/how_is_it... But at the same time there's an ongoing infighting among Trump supporters because tech elites came up as pro - skilled immigration where the MAGA camp turned against them. The tech elites claim that there's a talent shortage. Here's a short rundown that Elon Musk agrees with: https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1872408010653589799 https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1872408010653589799
  - fhd2 2y ago
    Ah I see, thought I missed some major story, but apparently not. The unemployment data is from 2018 BTW. But from what I perceive, developer unemployment in the US seems higher than usual right now.
    - mrtksn 2y ago
      Good catch but yes, my personal observation is the same and not only in US.
exe34 2y ago
Have you maybe confused the time periods in the different discussions? I think the AI making jobs obsolete part is in the next few years, whereas the talent shortage issue is right now - although as usual, it's a wage issue, not a talent issue. Pay enough and the right people will turn up.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  Who knows about the future, right? I'm just trying to read the expectations of the people who have control over both the AI, Capital and Politics and they don't strike me as optimistic about AI actually doing much in near future.
  - exe34 2y ago
    they seem to be investing a lot into replacing workers with AI.
    - mrtksn 2y ago
      And that might be a FOMO or they can simply exit with profit as long as they can flame up the hype. An of course, they may be hoping to have it in long term. They are not replacing their workers despite claiming that AI is currently as good as a PHD and they certainly don't go to AI medical doctors despite claiming that their tool is better than most doctors.
- hackable_sand 2y ago
  It's not a wage issue.
  - exe34 2y ago
    are you saying the free market doesn't work?
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nyarlathotep_ 2y ago
Schrodinger's Job Market, yeah. The whole conversation is so dishonest. Every software firm, notable and small, has had layoffs over the past two years, but somehow there's still a "STEM shortage" and companies are "starving for talent" or some such nonsense? Fake discussion.

by mrtksn 2y ago

fhd2 2y ago

Is that so? I'm not in the US, so I don't have a good idea of what's going on there. But wasn't there relatively high unemployment among developers after all these Big Tech layoffs post pandemic? Shouldn't companies there have an easy time finding local talent? Sorry for the potentially silly question. I just spent some time trying to research it and came up with nothing concrete.

mrtksn 2y ago
> But wasn't there relatively high unemployment among developers after all these Big Tech layoffs post pandemic? I'm speculating too but yes it appears that unemployment is pretty high among the CS majors: https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/1hhl060/how_is_it_this_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/1hhl060/how_is_it... But at the same time there's an ongoing infighting among Trump supporters because tech elites came up as pro - skilled immigration where the MAGA camp turned against them. The tech elites claim that there's a talent shortage. Here's a short rundown that Elon Musk agrees with: https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1872408010653589799 https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1872408010653589799
- fhd2 2y ago
  Ah I see, thought I missed some major story, but apparently not. The unemployment data is from 2018 BTW. But from what I perceive, developer unemployment in the US seems higher than usual right now.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    Good catch but yes, my personal observation is the same and not only in US.

exe34 2y ago

Have you maybe confused the time periods in the different discussions? I think the AI making jobs obsolete part is in the next few years, whereas the talent shortage issue is right now - although as usual, it's a wage issue, not a talent issue. Pay enough and the right people will turn up.

mrtksn 2y ago
Who knows about the future, right? I'm just trying to read the expectations of the people who have control over both the AI, Capital and Politics and they don't strike me as optimistic about AI actually doing much in near future.
- exe34 2y ago
  they seem to be investing a lot into replacing workers with AI.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    And that might be a FOMO or they can simply exit with profit as long as they can flame up the hype. An of course, they may be hoping to have it in long term. They are not replacing their workers despite claiming that AI is currently as good as a PHD and they certainly don't go to AI medical doctors despite claiming that their tool is better than most doctors.
hackable_sand 2y ago
It's not a wage issue.
- exe34 2y ago
  are you saying the free market doesn't work?

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nyarlathotep_ 2y ago

Schrodinger's Job Market, yeah. The whole conversation is so dishonest. Every software firm, notable and small, has had layoffs over the past two years, but somehow there's still a "STEM shortage" and companies are "starving for talent" or some such nonsense? Fake discussion.