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Given lucidity more often arises in broken sleep, I wonder if historical biphasic sleep patterns meant that lucidity was much more common in the past. And so if
by mjburgess 2y ago
Given lucidity more often arises in broken sleep, I wonder if historical biphasic sleep patterns meant that lucidity was much more common in the past. And so if there could be a correlation here with religious visions.
I was in a conversation recently with a christian convert who seemed to operate on the principle that the tenants of a religion are real if there are religious experiences which indicate it to be so -- and it became clear they meant in dreams, but not exactly dream-like states. At the same event there was a muslim who had family members with visions (and so on). I made the point that localised to each region of the world are its own cultural beliefs 'replayed back' in such states -- this is especially noticiable in schizophrenia where psychosis-based delusions are heavily mapped through a cultural lens (eg., some spy service is contacting them through 5G; and UFOs in a previous era; ghosts before then; and devils before then).
It does seem plausible that lucid dreaming offers a plausible explanation of religious 'visions' which occur in well-functioning people; and likewise a mechanism for why they are so encultured -- with gods of one locale appearing to adhearents there.
And if lucid dream were previously much more widespread, this offers an additional benefit of religious mythology, which is narrative material for the construction of these dreams.
- ndileas 2y agos/tenants/tenets/ This idea is interesting, but unfalsifiable with our current methods of understanding history.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoYou don't even necessarily need lucid dreaming to explain these experiences. Practices clearly intended to altar mental & emotional state are endemic to all religions. Combined fasting, sleep deprivation, and focused attention are enough to induce hallucinatory experiences for a lot of people, specifically if that experience is sought out over time. Even in christianity this was widespread until relatively recently in the form of pre-feast fasting & vigil, and is still practiced by monastics. Lucid dreaming may be part of these traditions I don't really know. Religious experience is so broad and ancient it's hard to rule things out. But there are a lot of descriptions of visions, and while it's common for them not to distinguish between "visions" and "dreams" per se I've never read a description of something that sounds like lucid dreaming in a pre-modern source.