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Yeah... Because the plane was hit all the way on the other side of the Caspian sea around Grozny. If you had read reputable news instead of relying on social m

by piva00 2y ago

Yeah... Because the plane was hit all the way on the other side of the Caspian sea around Grozny. If you had read reputable news instead of relying on social media footage you'd have a better grasp of reality.

_1tem 2y ago
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- piva00 2y ago
  It's not implausible, the warhead was small from a Pantsir system, it wrecked the flight controls on the tail but if you look at the longer footage before the crash you can see the pilots still having some very crude control, the plane was bobbing up and down all the way from when it regained ADS-B reporting data in the Caspian sea. You can look at all this data yourself, stop forcing a narrative based on your misguided beliefs. In a more blunt way: stop being a gullible ignorant... > The best source for making some sense of reality will be unfiltered first hand accounts (such as social media). This is what makes you gullible, believing the accounts you are seeing on social media are both unedited as well as first hand. You're seeing mirages. Edit: and now you are repeating the "bird strike" lie. Fucks sake, the Russians really have a point on how easy it's to manipulate idiots...
  - _1tem 2y ago
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  - RealityVoid 2y ago
    Footage before the crash showing shrapnel holes in one of the life jackets: https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871952188383309872?t=q47UPl3yjjaESc7e6hcLfA&s=19 https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871952188383309872?t=q... My understanding is not even the Russians are denieing they shot it down. What could make one say it wasn't a missile strike, when we have a lot of evidence it was.
    - piva00 2y ago
      Disinformation really seems to tap into that deep call for "I want to believe". Being a contrarian is attractive, hits the spot for the ever elusive feeling of knowing something others don't, for some reason there's a huge satisfaction in that; some people are attracted to it like a moth to a light...
      - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
        Thank you for countering the misinformation. It is disgraceful that the proliferation of such lies is not forbidden on this forum.
  - scrollaway 2y ago
    How do we fight in a war where our own fellow citizens are the foes, turned by the enemy out of their own ignorance and gullibility? Feels like a zombie movie.
    - celdon25 2y ago
      We vote. And we did.
      - scrollaway 2y ago
        The US is not the only country in the world. I was not speaking about your country. I know, I know -- based on your comment history, you were probably expecting to be talking to an American and hoping to bait them into a Trump vs Biden ragebait. You see, posts like these are merely symptomatic. You created your account bang on during the US 2016 election period, spent all your time trying to systematically comment pro-whatever stuff, etc. I don't care. Do whatever you want with your country - you'll be the main victim of what you do to it. I felt terrible for the US when Trump was first elected but this time around, I /really don't care/ because you guys did this to yourselves, and you're giving Europe a lot of incentives to get its shit together, which is well needed. You see, your country is not at war. Your country has its own, deep, deep well of issues, but it is not at war. Mine is. My whole continent. And here, elections are not how we fight; elections are how we voice discontent, but they are easily interfered in by comrade Vlad as we've seen repeatedly in the past few years (most recently in Romania). Our elections are more and more often abused to install pro-russia propagandists in seats of power. Of course, you probably don't care because people like you tend to look at people like Putin and idolize them. Something something he's a real man, he doesn't care about your feelings. I mean, he doesn't care about yours either, and your head will be on the chopping block all the same. Keep idolizing... his biggest fans are currently dying by the thousands, might not be a crowd you want to keep hanging with very long.
        celdon25 2y ago
        Jesus Christ, you have issues. It was an honest answer to your question, which no one else answered (in fact, you even got downvoted). Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. And don't assume you're not just like the people you're complaining about either. If you don't like my answer, that's your problem, not mine. But it was the best answer I could give, without bullshitting you. And I created my account during 2016 because that was yet another period of time when I happened to be looking for work, due to the volatility of this job market. Which this time is due to the high federal interest rates, which happened under Biden. I don't idolize any politicians, but I think some are definitely worse than others. And I barely spend time on here these days because the comment quality has gone way downhill. The red wave happened all over the world, FYI.
  - MoreMoore 2y ago
    Unfiltered first hand accounts on social media. What a joke. We're fucked, aren't we? We take whatever post on social media fits our preconceptions and we run with it. No verifying who it is or how plausible it is. No cross-checking with other sources of information. Everybody, particularly all "mainstream media", is lying except this random person on the internet with no proof or verification. Meanwhile, first thing I did when I saw images of the damaged surfaces was check other sources to verify that the damage shown was of the right aircraft and event, check what AA missile damage typically looks like from Russian missiles, check what kinds of missiles Russian systems use, and do a broad quick survey of all the available information at hand, then come to my own opinion and wait for an official investigation while remaining open to new and better information. Why do these people do the first step of being skeptical, which is largely correct, but then they believe random bullshit elsewhere without any of that skepticism? I just don't get it.

by piva00 2y ago

_1tem 2y ago

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piva00 2y ago
It's not implausible, the warhead was small from a Pantsir system, it wrecked the flight controls on the tail but if you look at the longer footage before the crash you can see the pilots still having some very crude control, the plane was bobbing up and down all the way from when it regained ADS-B reporting data in the Caspian sea. You can look at all this data yourself, stop forcing a narrative based on your misguided beliefs. In a more blunt way: stop being a gullible ignorant... > The best source for making some sense of reality will be unfiltered first hand accounts (such as social media). This is what makes you gullible, believing the accounts you are seeing on social media are both unedited as well as first hand. You're seeing mirages. Edit: and now you are repeating the "bird strike" lie. Fucks sake, the Russians really have a point on how easy it's to manipulate idiots...
- _1tem 2y ago
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- RealityVoid 2y ago
  Footage before the crash showing shrapnel holes in one of the life jackets: https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871952188383309872?t=q47UPl3yjjaESc7e6hcLfA&s=19 https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1871952188383309872?t=q... My understanding is not even the Russians are denieing they shot it down. What could make one say it wasn't a missile strike, when we have a lot of evidence it was.
  - piva00 2y ago
    Disinformation really seems to tap into that deep call for "I want to believe". Being a contrarian is attractive, hits the spot for the ever elusive feeling of knowing something others don't, for some reason there's a huge satisfaction in that; some people are attracted to it like a moth to a light...
    - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
      Thank you for countering the misinformation. It is disgraceful that the proliferation of such lies is not forbidden on this forum.
- scrollaway 2y ago
  How do we fight in a war where our own fellow citizens are the foes, turned by the enemy out of their own ignorance and gullibility? Feels like a zombie movie.
  - celdon25 2y ago
    We vote. And we did.
    - scrollaway 2y ago
      The US is not the only country in the world. I was not speaking about your country. I know, I know -- based on your comment history, you were probably expecting to be talking to an American and hoping to bait them into a Trump vs Biden ragebait. You see, posts like these are merely symptomatic. You created your account bang on during the US 2016 election period, spent all your time trying to systematically comment pro-whatever stuff, etc. I don't care. Do whatever you want with your country - you'll be the main victim of what you do to it. I felt terrible for the US when Trump was first elected but this time around, I /really don't care/ because you guys did this to yourselves, and you're giving Europe a lot of incentives to get its shit together, which is well needed. You see, your country is not at war. Your country has its own, deep, deep well of issues, but it is not at war. Mine is. My whole continent. And here, elections are not how we fight; elections are how we voice discontent, but they are easily interfered in by comrade Vlad as we've seen repeatedly in the past few years (most recently in Romania). Our elections are more and more often abused to install pro-russia propagandists in seats of power. Of course, you probably don't care because people like you tend to look at people like Putin and idolize them. Something something he's a real man, he doesn't care about your feelings. I mean, he doesn't care about yours either, and your head will be on the chopping block all the same. Keep idolizing... his biggest fans are currently dying by the thousands, might not be a crowd you want to keep hanging with very long.
      - celdon25 2y ago
        Jesus Christ, you have issues. It was an honest answer to your question, which no one else answered (in fact, you even got downvoted). Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. And don't assume you're not just like the people you're complaining about either. If you don't like my answer, that's your problem, not mine. But it was the best answer I could give, without bullshitting you. And I created my account during 2016 because that was yet another period of time when I happened to be looking for work, due to the volatility of this job market. Which this time is due to the high federal interest rates, which happened under Biden. I don't idolize any politicians, but I think some are definitely worse than others. And I barely spend time on here these days because the comment quality has gone way downhill. The red wave happened all over the world, FYI.
- MoreMoore 2y ago
  Unfiltered first hand accounts on social media. What a joke. We're fucked, aren't we? We take whatever post on social media fits our preconceptions and we run with it. No verifying who it is or how plausible it is. No cross-checking with other sources of information. Everybody, particularly all "mainstream media", is lying except this random person on the internet with no proof or verification. Meanwhile, first thing I did when I saw images of the damaged surfaces was check other sources to verify that the damage shown was of the right aircraft and event, check what AA missile damage typically looks like from Russian missiles, check what kinds of missiles Russian systems use, and do a broad quick survey of all the available information at hand, then come to my own opinion and wait for an official investigation while remaining open to new and better information. Why do these people do the first step of being skeptical, which is largely correct, but then they believe random bullshit elsewhere without any of that skepticism? I just don't get it.