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Ah yes, google a company known for not injecting an ideology into their AI: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai-images-wrong-woke/ http

Ah yes, google a company known for not injecting an ideology into their AI: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai-images-wrong-woke/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai... Nor building AI tools for the pentagon to bomb Yemeni weddings more efficiently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven

DonHopkins 2y ago
That's his whole point. And that Elon is even more biased and actively purposefully horrible and unethical than that. By validly criticising Google, you're just reinforcing his point. Didn't you read the part where he wrote "(You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)"? Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a popular widely used communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people? And do you actually think he has the self control not to inject his own prejudices into the LLM he made for that very purpose? Of course it's ingested the sewage of content from Twitter, which is FULL of his own jabs against people he doesn't like, including his own child. He gives his own tweets extra weight, so don't you think he does the same with training Grok? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >Elon Musk's transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child. In an exclusive interview, Vivian Jenna Wilson said her father’s recent statements, including that she is “not a girl,” inspired her to speak out: “I’m not just gonna let that slide.”
- lukan 2y ago
  "Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people?" It got him the adviser role of the president, which in turn might save and make him billions. But his main motivation might have been indeed to fight "the woke terror".
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    If fighting "the woke terror" means abusing your own child in public. Maybe he'll give Trump some advice on putting Don Jr. and Eric in their place.
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- llm_trw 2y ago
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  - pixl97 2y ago
    Insert {pro-birth not pro-child} reply here.
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      The multi polar world is a confusing place for the one bit mind.
      - gopher_space 2y ago
        I’m sorry to hear that.
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    It's a delusional world you live in where you think I was making that argument. So you have no problem with him abusing his kid in public, because child abuse is ok as long as you don't actually murder them? Edit: So abusing your kid in public isn't evil? You're fine with that, as long as he doesn't kill them? Isn't it also evil for you to defend Musk's child abuse? Again, you're missing the point that your valid criticisms of Google only reinforce his point that Musk is even worse. (If you have showdead=true you can see the idiotic hateful comments in this thread from the kind of people Musk inspires by abusing his child in public. Do you agree with decremental?)
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      I'm making the simple point that Google is far less moral. Which is why they removed the "don't be evil" from their moto.
      - DonHopkins 2y ago
        Well? You're still purposefully ignoring and refusing to acknowledge my point that your valid criticism actually reinforces his point of how vile, unethical, and evil Elon Musk is. You're also ignoring the point that another poster, a Google employee, wrote that Google pulled out of Project Maven due to employee protests, but Amazon and Microsoft didn't. And I'd bet you anything that Musk would gladly accept such evil government contracts for the right amount of money. He already does, in fact. Please answer my question, if you're not afraid to: So abusing your kid in public isn't evil, public humiliation and verbal abuse is fine parenting, but you draw the line at murder? So do you agree with the [flagged] [dead] comments of other idiotic hateful transphobic homophobic Musk fan-boys in this thread who are parroting and amplifying Musk's abuse against his own child? Those [flagged] [dead] posts are incontrovertible proof that Musk's public abuse of his own child actually encourages other people to pile on and abuse her too, as well as many many other trans and LGBTQ people. And they don't stop at Musk's daughter, and the don't stop at verbal abuse: they physically assault and even rape trans people, because people like Musk encourage in incite them to hate and assault the same people he does, including but certainly not limited to his own daughter. Go to your user use page at https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=llm_trw https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=llm_trw , then select showdead: true, then come back to this thread and read the [flagged] [dead] comments, then tell me if you agree with them and Musk, and that's whose side you want to support in this debate. Or just don't reply if you're too embarrassed and cowardly to admit it. Do you really want to use an LLM pre-loaded with Musk's hatred and abuse? And are you actually naive enough to think he wouldn't do that, since he bought Twitter for the express purpose of shoving his opinions down everyone's throat?
- PenisBanana 2y ago
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- ertin 2y ago
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Thorrez 2y ago
According to the Wikipedia article, Google pulled out of Project Maven due to employee protests. Microsoft and Amazon also worked on Project Maven and Wikipedia doesn't mention them pulling out. So I think Google is more anti-Maven than Microsoft and Amazon. Disclosure: I work at Google.

DonHopkins 2y ago

That's his whole point. And that Elon is even more biased and actively purposefully horrible and unethical than that. By validly criticising Google, you're just reinforcing his point. Didn't you read the part where he wrote "(You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)"? Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a popular widely used communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people? And do you actually think he has the self control not to inject his own prejudices into the LLM he made for that very purpose? Of course it's ingested the sewage of content from Twitter, which is FULL of his own jabs against people he doesn't like, including his own child. He gives his own tweets extra weight, so don't you think he does the same with training Grok? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >Elon Musk's transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child. In an exclusive interview, Vivian Jenna Wilson said her father’s recent statements, including that she is “not a girl,” inspired her to speak out: “I’m not just gonna let that slide.”

lukan 2y ago
"Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people?" It got him the adviser role of the president, which in turn might save and make him billions. But his main motivation might have been indeed to fight "the woke terror".
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  If fighting "the woke terror" means abusing your own child in public. Maybe he'll give Trump some advice on putting Don Jr. and Eric in their place.
- deleted 2y ago
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llm_trw 2y ago
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- pixl97 2y ago
  Insert {pro-birth not pro-child} reply here.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    The multi polar world is a confusing place for the one bit mind.
    - gopher_space 2y ago
      I’m sorry to hear that.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  It's a delusional world you live in where you think I was making that argument. So you have no problem with him abusing his kid in public, because child abuse is ok as long as you don't actually murder them? Edit: So abusing your kid in public isn't evil? You're fine with that, as long as he doesn't kill them? Isn't it also evil for you to defend Musk's child abuse? Again, you're missing the point that your valid criticisms of Google only reinforce his point that Musk is even worse. (If you have showdead=true you can see the idiotic hateful comments in this thread from the kind of people Musk inspires by abusing his child in public. Do you agree with decremental?)
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    I'm making the simple point that Google is far less moral. Which is why they removed the "don't be evil" from their moto.
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      Well? You're still purposefully ignoring and refusing to acknowledge my point that your valid criticism actually reinforces his point of how vile, unethical, and evil Elon Musk is. You're also ignoring the point that another poster, a Google employee, wrote that Google pulled out of Project Maven due to employee protests, but Amazon and Microsoft didn't. And I'd bet you anything that Musk would gladly accept such evil government contracts for the right amount of money. He already does, in fact. Please answer my question, if you're not afraid to: So abusing your kid in public isn't evil, public humiliation and verbal abuse is fine parenting, but you draw the line at murder? So do you agree with the [flagged] [dead] comments of other idiotic hateful transphobic homophobic Musk fan-boys in this thread who are parroting and amplifying Musk's abuse against his own child? Those [flagged] [dead] posts are incontrovertible proof that Musk's public abuse of his own child actually encourages other people to pile on and abuse her too, as well as many many other trans and LGBTQ people. And they don't stop at Musk's daughter, and the don't stop at verbal abuse: they physically assault and even rape trans people, because people like Musk encourage in incite them to hate and assault the same people he does, including but certainly not limited to his own daughter. Go to your user use page at https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=llm_trw https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=llm_trw , then select showdead: true, then come back to this thread and read the [flagged] [dead] comments, then tell me if you agree with them and Musk, and that's whose side you want to support in this debate. Or just don't reply if you're too embarrassed and cowardly to admit it. Do you really want to use an LLM pre-loaded with Musk's hatred and abuse? And are you actually naive enough to think he wouldn't do that, since he bought Twitter for the express purpose of shoving his opinions down everyone's throat?
PenisBanana 2y ago
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ertin 2y ago
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Thorrez 2y ago

According to the Wikipedia article, Google pulled out of Project Maven due to employee protests. Microsoft and Amazon also worked on Project Maven and Wikipedia doesn't mention them pulling out. So I think Google is more anti-Maven than Microsoft and Amazon. Disclosure: I work at Google.