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If you're using ChatGPT actively, then surely you have heard of Gemini and Grok (no clue of how far Grok gets you nowadays, but Gemini should. Not sure how good

by Mond_ 2y ago

If you're using ChatGPT actively, then surely you have heard of Gemini and Grok (no clue of how far Grok gets you nowadays, but Gemini should. Not sure how good the voice interface is).

Yawrehto 2y ago
I wouldn't use Grok. Google is a big company that has to be reasonably objective, but Elon seems to be the sort of guy who would pettily include jabs at people he doesn't like into the data. Also he's a horrible human for many reasons and I'd prefer not to support him if I can avoid it. (You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)
- decremental 2y ago
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- llm_trw 2y ago
  Ah yes, google a company known for not injecting an ideology into their AI: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai-images-wrong-woke/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai... Nor building AI tools for the pentagon to bomb Yemeni weddings more efficiently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    That's his whole point. And that Elon is even more biased and actively purposefully horrible and unethical than that. By validly criticising Google, you're just reinforcing his point. Didn't you read the part where he wrote "(You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)"? Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a popular widely used communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people? And do you actually think he has the self control not to inject his own prejudices into the LLM he made for that very purpose? Of course it's ingested the sewage of content from Twitter, which is FULL of his own jabs against people he doesn't like, including his own child. He gives his own tweets extra weight, so don't you think he does the same with training Grok? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >Elon Musk's transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child. In an exclusive interview, Vivian Jenna Wilson said her father’s recent statements, including that she is “not a girl,” inspired her to speak out: “I’m not just gonna let that slide.”
    - lukan 2y ago
      "Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people?" It got him the adviser role of the president, which in turn might save and make him billions. But his main motivation might have been indeed to fight "the woke terror".
      - DonHopkins 2y ago
        If fighting "the woke terror" means abusing your own child in public. Maybe he'll give Trump some advice on putting Don Jr. and Eric in their place.
      - deleted 2y ago
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    - llm_trw 2y ago
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      - pixl97 2y ago
        Insert {pro-birth not pro-child} reply here.
        llm_trw 2y ago
        The multi polar world is a confusing place for the one bit mind.
        gopher_space 2y ago
        I’m sorry to hear that.
      - DonHopkins 2y ago
        It's a delusional world you live in where you think I was making that argument. So you have no problem with him abusing his kid in public, because child abuse is ok as long as you don't actually murder them? Edit: So abusing your kid in public isn't evil? You're fine with that, as long as he doesn't kill them? Isn't it also evil for you to defend Musk's child abuse? Again, you're missing the point that your valid criticisms of Google only reinforce his point that Musk is even worse. (If you have showdead=true you can see the idiotic hateful comments in this thread from the kind of people Musk inspires by abusing his child in public. Do you agree with decremental?)
  - Thorrez 2y ago
    According to the Wikipedia article, Google pulled out of Project Maven due to employee protests. Microsoft and Amazon also worked on Project Maven and Wikipedia doesn't mention them pulling out. So I think Google is more anti-Maven than Microsoft and Amazon. Disclosure: I work at Google.
- sandspar 2y ago
  Do you sincerely believe that Gemini is not very biased?

by Mond_ 2y ago

If you're using ChatGPT actively, then surely you have heard of Gemini and Grok (no clue of how far Grok gets you nowadays, but Gemini should. Not sure how good the voice interface is).

Yawrehto 2y ago

I wouldn't use Grok. Google is a big company that has to be reasonably objective, but Elon seems to be the sort of guy who would pettily include jabs at people he doesn't like into the data. Also he's a horrible human for many reasons and I'd prefer not to support him if I can avoid it. (You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)

decremental 2y ago
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llm_trw 2y ago
Ah yes, google a company known for not injecting an ideology into their AI: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai-images-wrong-woke/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai... Nor building AI tools for the pentagon to bomb Yemeni weddings more efficiently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  That's his whole point. And that Elon is even more biased and actively purposefully horrible and unethical than that. By validly criticising Google, you're just reinforcing his point. Didn't you read the part where he wrote "(You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)"? Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a popular widely used communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people? And do you actually think he has the self control not to inject his own prejudices into the LLM he made for that very purpose? Of course it's ingested the sewage of content from Twitter, which is FULL of his own jabs against people he doesn't like, including his own child. He gives his own tweets extra weight, so don't you think he does the same with training Grok? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >Elon Musk's transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child. In an exclusive interview, Vivian Jenna Wilson said her father’s recent statements, including that she is “not a girl,” inspired her to speak out: “I’m not just gonna let that slide.”
  - lukan 2y ago
    "Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people?" It got him the adviser role of the president, which in turn might save and make him billions. But his main motivation might have been indeed to fight "the woke terror".
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      If fighting "the woke terror" means abusing your own child in public. Maybe he'll give Trump some advice on putting Don Jr. and Eric in their place.
    - deleted 2y ago
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  - llm_trw 2y ago
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    - pixl97 2y ago
      Insert {pro-birth not pro-child} reply here.
      - llm_trw 2y ago
        The multi polar world is a confusing place for the one bit mind.
        gopher_space 2y ago
        I’m sorry to hear that.
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      It's a delusional world you live in where you think I was making that argument. So you have no problem with him abusing his kid in public, because child abuse is ok as long as you don't actually murder them? Edit: So abusing your kid in public isn't evil? You're fine with that, as long as he doesn't kill them? Isn't it also evil for you to defend Musk's child abuse? Again, you're missing the point that your valid criticisms of Google only reinforce his point that Musk is even worse. (If you have showdead=true you can see the idiotic hateful comments in this thread from the kind of people Musk inspires by abusing his child in public. Do you agree with decremental?)
- Thorrez 2y ago
  According to the Wikipedia article, Google pulled out of Project Maven due to employee protests. Microsoft and Amazon also worked on Project Maven and Wikipedia doesn't mention them pulling out. So I think Google is more anti-Maven than Microsoft and Amazon. Disclosure: I work at Google.
sandspar 2y ago
Do you sincerely believe that Gemini is not very biased?