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Don't put all your eggs into one basket - what are some good free alternatives? I mean comparable "usefulness" including image understanding, voice interface, a

Don't put all your eggs into one basket - what are some good free alternatives? I mean comparable "usefulness" including image understanding, voice interface, and general knowledge?

porphyra 2y ago
Grok 2 is available for free for all X users [1] [1] https://x.ai/blog/grok-1212 https://x.ai/blog/grok-1212
- manmal 2y ago
  Is it comparable with OpenAI’s and Anthropic’s models? I have a strong resistance towards using Musk‘s products nowadays, but maybe I should take a look over the fence.
  - porphyra 2y ago
    In terms of general purpose usage and image understanding, I think Grok 2 is pretty good and roughly on par with ChatGPT 4o. Grok 2 will also look for online sources similar to ChatGPT search which is nice. I've occasionally had it report irrelevant results when doing so though --- for example when I was looking up the price of a car it once found some random webpage with the price in rupees even though I'm in the US. For logical reasoning of course chain-of-thought models like the O1 family are better.
  - john_alan 2y ago
    Why do you strongly resist products by Musk? He runs highly competent firms.
    - pixl97 2y ago
      [Cars crash] Option 1. Fix cars not to crash Option 2. Buy president and have reporting agencies closed.
      - schmidp 2y ago
        I believe your are projecting your own morals.
        john_alan 2y ago
        Yes I agree his points seem bathed in virtue.
    - deleted 2y ago
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Mond_ 2y ago
If you're using ChatGPT actively, then surely you have heard of Gemini and Grok (no clue of how far Grok gets you nowadays, but Gemini should. Not sure how good the voice interface is).
- Yawrehto 2y ago
  I wouldn't use Grok. Google is a big company that has to be reasonably objective, but Elon seems to be the sort of guy who would pettily include jabs at people he doesn't like into the data. Also he's a horrible human for many reasons and I'd prefer not to support him if I can avoid it. (You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)
  - decremental 2y ago
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  - llm_trw 2y ago
    Ah yes, google a company known for not injecting an ideology into their AI: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai-images-wrong-woke/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai... Nor building AI tools for the pentagon to bomb Yemeni weddings more efficiently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      That's his whole point. And that Elon is even more biased and actively purposefully horrible and unethical than that. By validly criticising Google, you're just reinforcing his point. Didn't you read the part where he wrote "(You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)"? Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a popular widely used communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people? And do you actually think he has the self control not to inject his own prejudices into the LLM he made for that very purpose? Of course it's ingested the sewage of content from Twitter, which is FULL of his own jabs against people he doesn't like, including his own child. He gives his own tweets extra weight, so don't you think he does the same with training Grok? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >Elon Musk's transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child. In an exclusive interview, Vivian Jenna Wilson said her father’s recent statements, including that she is “not a girl,” inspired her to speak out: “I’m not just gonna let that slide.”
KennyBlanken 2y ago
General knowledge? Five times in two weeks I've asked OpenAI some basic factual information and it didn't get even close on any of them.
- franze 2y ago
  Dont ask GPTs for facts, thats a knowledge problem, they dont habe any. Ask it for reasoning, u habe to bring the facts.
  - lukan 2y ago
    That doesn't work reliable either for me.
manmal 2y ago
Not free, but something I‘m doing right now: Using Cursor‘s chat mode with my prepaid Anthropic key. Works pretty well as a stop gap.
- jascination 2y ago
  What's the difference when using your own anthropic key vs vanilla? Are you hitting limits with Claude in cursor that they key unlocks? I ask cos I use it very liberally and haven't had any issues that have made me consider adding a key, except when I made it read my whole codebase on every request
s1gsegv 2y ago
I’ve been loving having mistral-nemo on my laptop. Not comparable for images, voice, etc, however it is very nice when you’re away from the internet. For the cost of a couple gigabytes you get to keep a good amount of info at the ready. Very easy to run models these days, install Ollama and then do `ollama run mistral-nemo`. Plus mistral-nemo in particular has a large context window, so you can cook up some shell scripts to throw a bunch of context into the buffer before your question. One I use a lot takes the name of a manpage and a question about it, then the LLM has the whole manpage to reference.

Don't put all your eggs into one basket - what are some good free alternatives? I mean comparable "usefulness" including image understanding, voice interface, and general knowledge?

porphyra 2y ago

Grok 2 is available for free for all X users [1] [1] https://x.ai/blog/grok-1212 https://x.ai/blog/grok-1212

manmal 2y ago
Is it comparable with OpenAI’s and Anthropic’s models? I have a strong resistance towards using Musk‘s products nowadays, but maybe I should take a look over the fence.
- porphyra 2y ago
  In terms of general purpose usage and image understanding, I think Grok 2 is pretty good and roughly on par with ChatGPT 4o. Grok 2 will also look for online sources similar to ChatGPT search which is nice. I've occasionally had it report irrelevant results when doing so though --- for example when I was looking up the price of a car it once found some random webpage with the price in rupees even though I'm in the US. For logical reasoning of course chain-of-thought models like the O1 family are better.
- john_alan 2y ago
  Why do you strongly resist products by Musk? He runs highly competent firms.
  - pixl97 2y ago
    [Cars crash] Option 1. Fix cars not to crash Option 2. Buy president and have reporting agencies closed.
    - schmidp 2y ago
      I believe your are projecting your own morals.
      - john_alan 2y ago
        Yes I agree his points seem bathed in virtue.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]

Mond_ 2y ago

If you're using ChatGPT actively, then surely you have heard of Gemini and Grok (no clue of how far Grok gets you nowadays, but Gemini should. Not sure how good the voice interface is).

Yawrehto 2y ago
I wouldn't use Grok. Google is a big company that has to be reasonably objective, but Elon seems to be the sort of guy who would pettily include jabs at people he doesn't like into the data. Also he's a horrible human for many reasons and I'd prefer not to support him if I can avoid it. (You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)
- decremental 2y ago
  [dead]
- llm_trw 2y ago
  Ah yes, google a company known for not injecting an ideology into their AI: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai-images-wrong-woke/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/23/google-gemini-ai... Nor building AI tools for the pentagon to bomb Yemeni weddings more efficiently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    That's his whole point. And that Elon is even more biased and actively purposefully horrible and unethical than that. By validly criticising Google, you're just reinforcing his point. Didn't you read the part where he wrote "(You know it's bad when Google is ethical in comparison.)"? Do you know of anyone at Google who overpaid billions of dollars for a popular widely used communication platform just to use it to publicly humiliate, deadname, misgender, and bully their own child in front of millions of people? And do you actually think he has the self control not to inject his own prejudices into the LLM he made for that very purpose? Of course it's ingested the sewage of content from Twitter, which is FULL of his own jabs against people he doesn't like, including his own child. He gives his own tweets extra weight, so don't you think he does the same with training Grok? https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender... >Elon Musk's transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child. In an exclusive interview, Vivian Jenna Wilson said her father’s recent statements, including that she is “not a girl,” inspired her to speak out: “I’m not just gonna let that slide.”

KennyBlanken 2y ago

General knowledge? Five times in two weeks I've asked OpenAI some basic factual information and it didn't get even close on any of them.

franze 2y ago
Dont ask GPTs for facts, thats a knowledge problem, they dont habe any. Ask it for reasoning, u habe to bring the facts.
- lukan 2y ago
  That doesn't work reliable either for me.

manmal 2y ago

Not free, but something I‘m doing right now: Using Cursor‘s chat mode with my prepaid Anthropic key. Works pretty well as a stop gap.

jascination 2y ago
What's the difference when using your own anthropic key vs vanilla? Are you hitting limits with Claude in cursor that they key unlocks? I ask cos I use it very liberally and haven't had any issues that have made me consider adding a key, except when I made it read my whole codebase on every request

s1gsegv 2y ago

I’ve been loving having mistral-nemo on my laptop. Not comparable for images, voice, etc, however it is very nice when you’re away from the internet. For the cost of a couple gigabytes you get to keep a good amount of info at the ready. Very easy to run models these days, install Ollama and then do `ollama run mistral-nemo`. Plus mistral-nemo in particular has a large context window, so you can cook up some shell scripts to throw a bunch of context into the buffer before your question. One I use a lot takes the name of a manpage and a question about it, then the LLM has the whole manpage to reference.