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The source is really the Azerbaijani government - it's their investigative body and their claim.

by pvg 2y ago

gruez 2y ago
>it's their investigative body and their claim. Is there a first hand source for this? So far as I can tell, the only thing we know for sure is that "AnewZ.tv" claims the government claims that it was shot down. That's not the same as "The source is really the Azerbaijani government".
- pvg 2y ago
  I mean, you can look up all the other reporting on this. It's more or less what's interesting about this news - the Azerbaijanis feel confident enough to make this claim semi-officially and the way it's going, will probably make it more formally soon enough. My point was 'how reliable is this particular news source' isn't going to tell you anything, what you can derive from the item is that Azerbaijan feels fairly confident their plane was shot down.
dragonwriter 2y ago
No. Reuters, EuroNews, this source, and others are all claiming to have sources close to the investigation that have indicated that is what the investigation has found, no one I have seen claims an official statement from the investigation has been released with this conclusion. There is a difference between leaks from an official investigation and the official outcome of the investigation. Official organs of the Azerbaijan government are not (yet) accusing Russia of shooting the plane with a missile.
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- pvg 2y ago
  It's completely Azerbaijan slow-rolling the accusation. All the 'sources close to the investigation' are from Azerbaijan, you see stuff like https://turan.az/en/politics/the-russian-side-must-apologize-rasim-musabeyov-788623 https://turan.az/en/politics/the-russian-side-must-apologize... It's a highly authoritarian state with a complicated relationship with Russia. You're applying generic media literacy 101 to something where it's not readily applicable.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > It’s completely Azerbaijan slow-rolling the accusation Duh. > You’re applying generic media literacy 101 to something where it’s not readily applicable. Yes, it’s readily applicable. The difference between a state making an official accusation and it deliberately keeping the accusation unofficial is just as significant, arguably even moreso, when it is an authoritarian state which controls the message in either case then when it is, say, a bureaucratic liberal democracy which is simply following investigative protocol.
    - pvg 2y ago
      No Duh I'm sorry but this is just aggro dumbassery/pedantry.

The source is really the Azerbaijani government - it's their investigative body and their claim.

by pvg 2y ago

The source is really the Azerbaijani government - it's their investigative body and their claim.

>it's their investigative body and their claim. Is there a first hand source for this? So far as I can tell, the only thing we know for sure is that "AnewZ.tv" claims the government claims that it was shot down. That's not the same as "The source is really the Azerbaijani government".

pvg 2y ago
I mean, you can look up all the other reporting on this. It's more or less what's interesting about this news - the Azerbaijanis feel confident enough to make this claim semi-officially and the way it's going, will probably make it more formally soon enough. My point was 'how reliable is this particular news source' isn't going to tell you anything, what you can derive from the item is that Azerbaijan feels fairly confident their plane was shot down.

dragonwriter 2y ago

No. Reuters, EuroNews, this source, and others are all claiming to have sources close to the investigation that have indicated that is what the investigation has found, no one I have seen claims an official statement from the investigation has been released with this conclusion. There is a difference between leaks from an official investigation and the official outcome of the investigation. Official organs of the Azerbaijan government are not (yet) accusing Russia of shooting the plane with a missile.

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pvg 2y ago
It's completely Azerbaijan slow-rolling the accusation. All the 'sources close to the investigation' are from Azerbaijan, you see stuff like https://turan.az/en/politics/the-russian-side-must-apologize-rasim-musabeyov-788623 https://turan.az/en/politics/the-russian-side-must-apologize... It's a highly authoritarian state with a complicated relationship with Russia. You're applying generic media literacy 101 to something where it's not readily applicable.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > It’s completely Azerbaijan slow-rolling the accusation Duh. > You’re applying generic media literacy 101 to something where it’s not readily applicable. Yes, it’s readily applicable. The difference between a state making an official accusation and it deliberately keeping the accusation unofficial is just as significant, arguably even moreso, when it is an authoritarian state which controls the message in either case then when it is, say, a bureaucratic liberal democracy which is simply following investigative protocol.
  - pvg 2y ago
    No Duh I'm sorry but this is just aggro dumbassery/pedantry.