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> Extroverts don't understand this concept of limited capacity for socialization. I think there's gotta be a middle ground where someverts are more tolerant of
by SecretDreams 2y ago
> Extroverts don't understand this concept of limited capacity for socialization.
I think there's gotta be a middle ground where someverts are more tolerant of socializing for long periods of time. It still becomes draining, but they don't have some terrible allergic reaction. More like just mild sneezing!
- neofrommatrix 2y agoIt’s a spectrum - most of us are ambiverts.
- jfengel 2y agoI'm not convinced it's a single dimension, either. I suspect it's less a spectrum and more of a blotch.
- lupire 2y agoPeople say "spectrum" when they mean "1-dimensional ranged value". But a real spectrum is a bitfield of attributes.
- pizza 2y agoConsidering we're talking about real people and the real conversations you have with them, definitely. The 5 people I talk to and the patterns I've come to expect from socializing with them, and the way that those patterns interact with my own behavior, don't really have a neat apples-to-apples comparison with your 5 people and their patterns and how you interact with those patterns, etc. We could both be calling ourselves introverts and extrapolating wildly different chains of observations and predictions about how those hypothetical conversations would be affecting the other one's energy levels, etc.
- shermantanktop 2y agoThe whole concept of *verts is an early 20th century psychological concept from an era which produced practices and ideas which are now mostly antiquated. It has become pop psychology and never had much meaning.
- hollerith 2y agoThe field of personality psychology continues to believe it has meaning: extraversion is a factor in the five-factor model.
- fsckboy 2y agothe five factor model suggests nothing about "gains energy/drains energy", it simply measures tendency toward extraversion and identifies it as a highly explanatory factor in personality. There are 5 factors because those 5 are the factors that when measured appear to be independent variables, and explanatory.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> There are 5 factors because those 5 are the factors that when measured appear to be independent variables This is not correct; they are not independent.
- fsckboy 2y agothe goal is for them to be independent variables in the statistical sense. science is a process of refinement so there will undoubtedly be improvements, but they are as independent as they can be based on current knowledge, they can be measured separately, and people exist in every combination (the scales of each measure are not dependent on one another), and we can't describe what we know about personality without including all of them. Myers-Briggs comes to mind as a comparable metric which has more dependence among its variables, and essentially ignores neuroticism.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago> the goal is for them to be independent variables in the statistical sense. No, it isn't. The goal is for them to have high explanatory power. They aren't independent variables, and the fact that they aren't is a frequent criticism of them. But it's not relevant to whether they are useful descriptors or predictors. Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#Limited_scope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits#Li... : > In many studies, the five factors are not fully orthogonal to one another; that is, the five factors are not independent. Orthogonality is viewed as desirable by some researchers because it minimizes redundancy between the dimensions.
- SecretDreams 2y ago> Ambiverts My new favourite word!
- RoyalHenOil 2y agoIntroversion level is really just a measure of how much social stimulation you require on average. Everyone has some level above which they feel exhausted and below which they feel lonely/bored.
- LouisSayers 2y agoMost people would understand, some play dumb, and some people just have low IQ...