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This is a terrible article that reads like an AI generated LinkedIn post. Nevermind the fact that the author isn't using the terms introvert and extrovert corr

This is a terrible article that reads like an AI generated LinkedIn post. Nevermind the fact that the author isn't using the terms introvert and extrovert correctly; the message is quite ableist. Not everyone can achieve this level of communication in a productive manner. Telling people that management will "prefer" one over the other when it's "budget time" is also dead wrong. I've fired more extroverts than introverts in my career, and it's likely only a coincidence. The author sounds like one of those "proud extroverts" that they made up into existence.

erinaceousjones 2y ago
I think you have good points in your middle paragraph, but I disagree with your first sentence. I can see a growing trend of dismissive "this reads like it's AI-generated" when I frankly think it has been written like that. Author has a similar tone to me. That's my writing style. > Not everyone can achieve this level of communication in a productive manner. Correct, and it sucks. I feel like it's ableist at times too. 9-to-5 days of small-talk are so strangely exhausting t me. It's very frustrating I feel it's a mandatory part of my career if I don't want to be forgotten about. But? I don't disagree with the author. In my interpretation, they aren't saying "I'm an extrovert and I'm great", they're saying "hey, this is a thing you can choose to do or be, and you may find it benefits you, and the introvert/extrovert thing is a stupid distinction, but being extrovert in the right way is a means of making yourself visible". Because, let's face it, it is. There is some entrenched ableism, in a way. Last I checked like 10-20% of western population is some form of neurodiverse and a proportion of that just do not click with the predominant communication styles used by the majority population. It sucks and we are left feeling like we are not accommodated for and can easily fall into that exhausted feeling of resentment. But? So what? You can help make things incrementally better for yourself in the system whilst still "playing the game", if you consider it as something you are choosing to expend your energy on.
- knorker 2y ago
  I held back a similar comment about AI-generated. I think the "AI-generated" accusation is overused. This article was incoherent nonsense, but not all incoherent nonsense hallucinations are AI-generated.
  - jiscariot 2y ago
    > He said, with a smirk, “I am not an extrovert”. In this likely fabricated scenario, our initial introduction to the introvert has them also coming across as a dick.
  - andrewflnr 2y ago
    People underestimate how old incoherent writing is. For that matter they underestimate how hard it is to write coherently.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Funnily enough, the part that made me suspicious is it didn't end with the last section titled "In Conclusion" - for a while now human bloggers have gotten so bad/lazy they don't seem to know how to tie together a long-form post at the end, and instead just use that title to repeat a couple of earlier points.
int_19h 2y ago
The author straight up says that being an introvert or an extrovert is a choice. They clearly have no idea what it actually feels like being an introvert.
- HKH2 2y ago
  There's a choice for an introvert to put on a front once they know how, but that's nowhere near becoming an extrovert.
bawolff 2y ago
It also seems to assume that just because you don't want to socialize in some specific setting means you are an introvert or extrovert. Everyone has people they like and people they don't. I've had co-workers i don't particularly like. Of course i am professional and polite to them at work and can work with them fine, but would i specificly go up to them at a party and chat? Probably not (i'd still be polite of course, just not specificly seek them out).
llm_nerd 2y ago
"Nevermind the fact that the author isn't using the terms introvert and extrovert correctly" Is there a correct use? The most social, outgoing people I know universally declare themselves introverts because they, like every human in history, occasionally likes some alone time to "recharge". It's similar to how everyone has OCD because they like a tidy desk. Make being an introvert a positive trait somehow and suddenly 100% of people are introverts. There are sort-of clinical definitions (e.g. "have a limited social bandwidth and need to recharge") but they're so broadly applicable they are worthless. There are other traits like social phobia or anxiety that often get intermixed with those, but they are very different qualities even if they manifest in a way that might get categorized. I do consider myself an introvert. At a young age I would see stories where someone broke the rules (in prison, military boot camp, etc) and would be relegated to solitary. They'd get outdoor time, books, often even craft materials, etc, but they were all alone all day long. I could never understand how this was a punishment. It seemed absolutely magical.

erinaceousjones 2y ago

I think you have good points in your middle paragraph, but I disagree with your first sentence. I can see a growing trend of dismissive "this reads like it's AI-generated" when I frankly think it has been written like that. Author has a similar tone to me. That's my writing style. > Not everyone can achieve this level of communication in a productive manner. Correct, and it sucks. I feel like it's ableist at times too. 9-to-5 days of small-talk are so strangely exhausting t me. It's very frustrating I feel it's a mandatory part of my career if I don't want to be forgotten about. But? I don't disagree with the author. In my interpretation, they aren't saying "I'm an extrovert and I'm great", they're saying "hey, this is a thing you can choose to do or be, and you may find it benefits you, and the introvert/extrovert thing is a stupid distinction, but being extrovert in the right way is a means of making yourself visible". Because, let's face it, it is. There is some entrenched ableism, in a way. Last I checked like 10-20% of western population is some form of neurodiverse and a proportion of that just do not click with the predominant communication styles used by the majority population. It sucks and we are left feeling like we are not accommodated for and can easily fall into that exhausted feeling of resentment. But? So what? You can help make things incrementally better for yourself in the system whilst still "playing the game", if you consider it as something you are choosing to expend your energy on.

knorker 2y ago
I held back a similar comment about AI-generated. I think the "AI-generated" accusation is overused. This article was incoherent nonsense, but not all incoherent nonsense hallucinations are AI-generated.
- jiscariot 2y ago
  > He said, with a smirk, “I am not an extrovert”. In this likely fabricated scenario, our initial introduction to the introvert has them also coming across as a dick.
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  People underestimate how old incoherent writing is. For that matter they underestimate how hard it is to write coherently.
- Izkata 2y ago
  Funnily enough, the part that made me suspicious is it didn't end with the last section titled "In Conclusion" - for a while now human bloggers have gotten so bad/lazy they don't seem to know how to tie together a long-form post at the end, and instead just use that title to repeat a couple of earlier points.

int_19h 2y ago

The author straight up says that being an introvert or an extrovert is a choice. They clearly have no idea what it actually feels like being an introvert.

HKH2 2y ago
There's a choice for an introvert to put on a front once they know how, but that's nowhere near becoming an extrovert.

bawolff 2y ago

It also seems to assume that just because you don't want to socialize in some specific setting means you are an introvert or extrovert. Everyone has people they like and people they don't. I've had co-workers i don't particularly like. Of course i am professional and polite to them at work and can work with them fine, but would i specificly go up to them at a party and chat? Probably not (i'd still be polite of course, just not specificly seek them out).

llm_nerd 2y ago

"Nevermind the fact that the author isn't using the terms introvert and extrovert correctly" Is there a correct use? The most social, outgoing people I know universally declare themselves introverts because they, like every human in history, occasionally likes some alone time to "recharge". It's similar to how everyone has OCD because they like a tidy desk. Make being an introvert a positive trait somehow and suddenly 100% of people are introverts. There are sort-of clinical definitions (e.g. "have a limited social bandwidth and need to recharge") but they're so broadly applicable they are worthless. There are other traits like social phobia or anxiety that often get intermixed with those, but they are very different qualities even if they manifest in a way that might get categorized. I do consider myself an introvert. At a young age I would see stories where someone broke the rules (in prison, military boot camp, etc) and would be relegated to solitary. They'd get outdoor time, books, often even craft materials, etc, but they were all alone all day long. I could never understand how this was a punishment. It seemed absolutely magical.