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> If this is Russia, what are we going to do? We have pretty much 10 years of experience to go by here: nothing. At least Europe won't. If anything the most
by the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
> If this is Russia, what are we going to do?
We have pretty much 10 years of experience to go by here: nothing. At least Europe won't. If anything the most likely outcome is for everybody to hope that Trump somehow ends this conflict and within 10 years everything goes back to where it was, and we're buddy-buddy with our dictatorship neighbors again.
- trhway 2y agoIt wouldn't go back to where it was. Russia is like a very large iceberg detaching itself from the civilization. The only issue is where the break-line is going to be. >At least Europe won't There are different parts of Europe. While for example Germany is relatively safe and relaxed, Poland is buying, on its own money, 1000 tanks form South Korea (among the best ones), jets, including F-35, etc. as it wants to stay on the civilization side of the break-line.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y agoDon't forget that plenty European countries made business with the USSR too. Also quite a number of EU members are quickly detaching themselves from democracy and a functional state. You don't have to look much farther than Hungary, Slovakia and even Austria to see that the trajectory this whole thing is on, is not a great one. Many European countries will be happy even with a much degraded Russia for as long as it supplies Gas and other natural resources for cheap.
- trhway 2y agoThe USSR had clear separation border between the West and the Eastern Block. >Many European countries will be happy even with a much degraded Russia They would be. Only it isn't just good old much degraded Russia like it was even in 2020 (as the Russian opposition calls it "vegetarian times"). It is now a fascist state with a nationalism as its political ideology. By its nature such regime is an aggressively expansive.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y ago> The USSR had clear separation border between the West and the Eastern Block. And yet, the USSR was a massive energy supplier to Europe. The gas pipelines supplied the west long before the fall of it.
- trhway 2y agoyes, that is the point of good firewall - to allow safe, for whatever each side understand as safe, well defined and controlled flow/exchange. As i said the current issue being decided is where that firewall will be.
- lostmsu 2y agoCan you elaborate on Austria?
- m0llusk 2y agoContinuing to starve them as a nation using sanctions is not nothing.
- XajniN 2y agoIt’s as good as nothing. It’s a place where suffering is constant, and losing is not acceptable.
- xenospn 2y agoRussian supermarkets seem full and the trains run on time. I doubt anyone east of Moscow even thinks about the war in Ukraine very often. This won’t change until actual sanctions are in place. What we have now is just child’s play.