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> best thing Trek has done since Archer’s Enterprise That’s an unexpected statement, I thought Archer’s Enterprise wasn’t considered a good series[1]. I person

by thih9 2y ago

> best thing Trek has done since Archer’s Enterprise That’s an unexpected statement, I thought Archer’s Enterprise wasn’t considered a good series[1]. I personally prefer others; I guess everyone has their own favorite. [1]: “Following the pilot, the critical reaction became mixed. David Segal said in The Washington Post that the series ‘has a bargain basement feel that lands this side of camp.’", https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise

krapp 2y ago
Enterprise started to get good once they realized what people wanted in a prequel series was to see elements of original Trek, humans struggling to get their footing in the galaxy, and how the Federation came to be. Unfortunately they wasted time on the Xindi arc/Temporal Cold War nonsense, and the ending was just an insult. But I think that, like Voyager, it's gotten a retroactive boost in popularity. Apparently the same thing has happened for Star Wars? Lots of fans of the prequels and new trilogy, when original fans despised them.
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  In part, the "Enterprise wasn't that bad" has come as mostly in comparison to modern Trek, with the exception of Strange New Worlds and possibly Lower Decks. I liked Enterprise when it first aired. It was no where near as good as Deep Space Nine and Voyager still felt more like TNG, but as a whole, those older shows stand together. But Picard was awful (somehow, S2 didn't happen and the Borg returned), Discovery was awful (S5 was middling but better). It's the same with Star Wars. Episode 1 through 3 did suck, but were nowhere near as bad as 7 through 9. Episodes 1 through 3 made the whole series Vader's story, with Luke's echo part of Vader's own redemption. It added something. The new ones added nothing. Worse, they were the beginnings of the attempt to tear everything down (Luke bad, Jedi bad, you don't need training, you don't need self-control...).

by thih9 2y ago

krapp 2y ago

Enterprise started to get good once they realized what people wanted in a prequel series was to see elements of original Trek, humans struggling to get their footing in the galaxy, and how the Federation came to be. Unfortunately they wasted time on the Xindi arc/Temporal Cold War nonsense, and the ending was just an insult. But I think that, like Voyager, it's gotten a retroactive boost in popularity. Apparently the same thing has happened for Star Wars? Lots of fans of the prequels and new trilogy, when original fans despised them.

slowmovintarget 2y ago
In part, the "Enterprise wasn't that bad" has come as mostly in comparison to modern Trek, with the exception of Strange New Worlds and possibly Lower Decks. I liked Enterprise when it first aired. It was no where near as good as Deep Space Nine and Voyager still felt more like TNG, but as a whole, those older shows stand together. But Picard was awful (somehow, S2 didn't happen and the Borg returned), Discovery was awful (S5 was middling but better). It's the same with Star Wars. Episode 1 through 3 did suck, but were nowhere near as bad as 7 through 9. Episodes 1 through 3 made the whole series Vader's story, with Luke's echo part of Vader's own redemption. It added something. The new ones added nothing. Worse, they were the beginnings of the attempt to tear everything down (Luke bad, Jedi bad, you don't need training, you don't need self-control...).