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In malaysia a lot of residential buildings are build on top of mall altogether but those are planned ahead from the start and those residential buildings are 40
by pzo 2y ago
In malaysia a lot of residential buildings are build on top of mall altogether but those are planned ahead from the start and those residential buildings are 40 levels high. 3 levels are mostly reserved for car parking for residents, 1 floor have shared facilities like swimming pool, gym. Top level as playground room or cowork or for organising barbeque or birthday party. Lifts are super fast. Then you have malls attached to those residential buildings and those are usually connected with nearby public transport.
Sadly in western world we don't build such high residential buildings - mostly 5 levels or less than 10 levels with not enough parking places around.
- cluckindan 2y agoThat sounds like an arcology. I would not want to live in an arcology.
- madaxe_again 2y agoMy sister lives in one in KL, and describes it as an arcology - and I’ve gotta say, it’s super convenient to not need to leave the building to go grocery shopping, or for pretty much any of the day-to-day services you might need. It’s like a 5 minute city, never mind 15 minute. And no, residents are not imprisoned.
- amyfp214 2y agonotably that corner of the world, especially singapore, in some ways is opposite to murica's personal independence attitude. more of a "you will own nothing and you will be happy" e.g. everything including cooking is outsourced, and all good quality. So they are happy to learn very few things except one specialized skill and outsource the rest. This sort of urban collectivism runs contrary to the american self-starter rural origins.
- bobthepanda 2y agoOther than the geometry of high density living, the mall and shared facilities at the base isn’t that odd. If you drive to a strip mall to go to a gym or you go to a pool or country club run by your HOA it’s the same thing but with added driving.
- madaxe_again 2y agoThe moment you get in a private passenger vehicle, it’s not the same thing at all.
- bobthepanda 2y agoYou’re a private person in the car but you’re back in public at the mall or a business, unless you’re suggesting that people have gyms and grocery stores in their cars.
- madaxe_again 2y agoNo, again, if you are having to drive somewhere rather than walk somewhere, it is not the same thing. I understand that Americans see driving and walking as pretty much the same thing, or walking as something undesirable and to be avoided at all costs, but that’s literally just in your small corner of the world.
- bobthepanda 2y agoMy original comment is not meant to compare driving vs not driving. It is instead meant to contrast with the assertion that most modern Americans in 2024 have anything to do with the self-starting pioneer mindset of yore vs “collective urbanism.” Please reread the whole thread.
- pzo 2y agoI don't think it's exactly the same. Generally I hate malls because they overload my sensors with all blinking and colorful stuff, food and perfume smells, mixed different music, background noise, harder navigation because designers wanna show off rather than make it practical. I'm right now living in those arcology and mostly only use grocery store and sometimes restaurants - but access to mall is still convenient. And better outdoor social area is just on the other side of street with 5 min walk. However I do use a lot of residential shared cowork place, playground, gym and swimming pool. For swimming pool or gym you don't have to prepare how to dress properly before driving car - you can spontaneously early in the morning take few meters to lift and go there in your swimming or gym clothes. You don't have to worry only about driving but parking, paying for parking, that you forgot to pack some gym or swimming clothes. Undressing and locking everything in the locker - you just take a lift back and shower at your place (if you don't want to use showers in facilities) There is also much more natural light in shared facilities floor because those residential buildings are towers so they have a lot of area on the edge where the windows are.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago> This sort of urban collectivism runs contrary to the american self-starter rural origins. Cultures are different, so it is a bold assumption that a solution that works for one culture also works for another, different one.
- danlugo92 2y agoThere's always been a push/astroturfing online towards dense housing against americans because they know sparse populations are harder to control.
- bobthepanda 2y agoIs it so hard to imagine that some people actually like dense housing and don’t want to be a slave to the car?
- danlugo92 2y agoNo it's not, I like to live in dense housing myself.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoWait, by whom? The FBI? The CIA? Sign me up, I want to get paid by the CIA's urbanist YIMBY astroturf project, right now I'm just posting for free like a sucker.
- goodpoint 2y agoI very much want to live in an arcology
- otikik 2y agoIt's very difficult to escape when the giant spider attacks it.
- goodpoint 2y agoIt's very common in many countries in asia and leads to excellent quality of life. You can live without a car and have everything at hand.