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Thank god. I remember the outgoing administration bragging about the fact that they haven’t held talks with Putin since the start of the war. Maybe now diploma

Thank god. I remember the outgoing administration bragging about the fact that they haven’t held talks with Putin since the start of the war. Maybe now diplomacy can happen and thousands of lives can be saved.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Alright Neville, let’s get you to bed
- trhazljk 2y ago
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  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Are you writing this message from 2014 or 2024? Hard to tell. I don’t believe I (or you) from a position of comfort have the answers. I believe that western democracies should trust their partners on the frontlines to decide when and how to find peace with an invader, as they know more than we do.
  - realusername 2y ago
    The Russian state TV: We will come back to Berlin and nuke everybody who gets in the way! Some westeners: We never know, maybe they will stop if we give them a few more villages this time.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    How close to war does one need to be for their opinion on this to be valid? A Shaheed drone flew over my head just less than two months ago. Does that qualify? In case it does — don’t be so naïve. Of course the russians want more. They’ve made that clear enough. Their heads of state have made that clear enough. Repeatedly. For years.
roenxi 2y ago
We can only hope. Unfortunately there are some disturbing parallels to WWI - there is a sizeable contingent in the US who won't admit they made a mistake on this one. It'll be like the Germans all over again, a big well armed population who don't understand that they'll lose even more if they stir up a big conflict. Even if Trump manages to put a lid on the current conflict I'm not hopeful it'll be enough to pacify the warmongers even in the medium term. There is a lot of work to be done. It has been unreal to watch the US muck up European security so badly. They are now also in a really bad position vs. China, they've secured it a well resourced ally to the north for no reason at all. It is no mystery how Trump outmanoeuvres these people, they have the strategic acumen of a stunned fish.
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realusername 2y ago
> Maybe now diplomacy can happen and thousands of lives can be saved. Diplomacy, like the time Macron came to Russia to stop the war and Putin told him the war would never happen. This kind of diplomacy?
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- severino 2y ago
  Usually, the war can not be stopped just by taking a flight to the side that's initiating it and telling them to stop. We need more than that.
  - realusername 2y ago
    There's been dozens and dozens (if not more) of diplomatic talks which Putin all sabotaged. Putin lying that there would not be any wars was just one talk among others, probably the most memorable and iconic of the war. What is Putin bringing to the table this time to guarantee that it won't end up like the other times?
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Like creating economic interdependency through extremely generous energy deals? That kind of diplomacy?

llamaimperative 2y ago

Alright Neville, let’s get you to bed

trhazljk 2y ago
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- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Are you writing this message from 2014 or 2024? Hard to tell. I don’t believe I (or you) from a position of comfort have the answers. I believe that western democracies should trust their partners on the frontlines to decide when and how to find peace with an invader, as they know more than we do.
- realusername 2y ago
  The Russian state TV: We will come back to Berlin and nuke everybody who gets in the way! Some westeners: We never know, maybe they will stop if we give them a few more villages this time.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
  How close to war does one need to be for their opinion on this to be valid? A Shaheed drone flew over my head just less than two months ago. Does that qualify? In case it does — don’t be so naïve. Of course the russians want more. They’ve made that clear enough. Their heads of state have made that clear enough. Repeatedly. For years.

roenxi 2y ago

We can only hope. Unfortunately there are some disturbing parallels to WWI - there is a sizeable contingent in the US who won't admit they made a mistake on this one. It'll be like the Germans all over again, a big well armed population who don't understand that they'll lose even more if they stir up a big conflict. Even if Trump manages to put a lid on the current conflict I'm not hopeful it'll be enough to pacify the warmongers even in the medium term. There is a lot of work to be done. It has been unreal to watch the US muck up European security so badly. They are now also in a really bad position vs. China, they've secured it a well resourced ally to the north for no reason at all. It is no mystery how Trump outmanoeuvres these people, they have the strategic acumen of a stunned fish.

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realusername 2y ago

> Maybe now diplomacy can happen and thousands of lives can be saved. Diplomacy, like the time Macron came to Russia to stop the war and Putin told him the war would never happen. This kind of diplomacy?

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severino 2y ago
Usually, the war can not be stopped just by taking a flight to the side that's initiating it and telling them to stop. We need more than that.
- realusername 2y ago
  There's been dozens and dozens (if not more) of diplomatic talks which Putin all sabotaged. Putin lying that there would not be any wars was just one talk among others, probably the most memorable and iconic of the war. What is Putin bringing to the table this time to guarantee that it won't end up like the other times?
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Like creating economic interdependency through extremely generous energy deals? That kind of diplomacy?