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A turbine blade or a few coming off can have the same effect as a bomb going off near the plane. The pieces would tear through the plane like shrapnel from a w

A turbine blade or a few coming off can have the same effect as a bomb going off near the plane. The pieces would tear through the plane like shrapnel from a weapon. Military anti air missiles tend to use continuous rods to slice planes in half instead of fragmentation warheads that leave small holes. The aim is to sever control lines, not merely to puncture.

mrtksn 2y ago
Turbine blades puncturing the tail section? I'm not convinced. https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/8a578eea-0de8-4504-bd31-a99fe199787f/5d785621-4fa6-4999-8274-b4f3ee487041 https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/8a578eea-0de8-4504-... Unconfined engine failures do the fuselage damage in the proximity of the engine: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877750322000904 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187775032...
penultimatename 2y ago
Several anti-aircraft systems can and do use fragmentation warheads. The BUK that shot down MH17 used one and the impact patterns are strikingly similar. Take a look at the “Reconstruction” section in this: https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/miscellaneous-reports/mh17-crash-en.pdf https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/miscell...
morkalork 2y ago
Here's another incident you can compare against: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0nf7/an_il22_tailplane_hit_by_a_surfacetoair_missile/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0nf7/an_il22_t...
jemmyw 2y ago
They did in the past but they are designed now to disintegrate without taking the rest of the plane with them. Not that something unusual couldn't happen, but the engines are tested on this very thoroughly, based on previous accidents. Even when it has gone wrong in recent times it hasn't been catastrophic.
MoreMoore 2y ago
The Russian Buk, S-300 and S-400 largely use missiles with blast fragmentation. For example, see the SAMS section here: https://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/uploads/gichd/Publications/GICHD_Ukraine_Guide_2022_Second_Edition_web.pdf https://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/uploads/gichd/Publications/G...
talldayo 2y ago
> A turbine blade or a few coming off can have the same effect as a bomb going off near the plane. Not in any passenger jet Embraer would get caught dead making. To my knowledge, most jet engines that are parallel to passenger sections require cowling that is reinforced to withstand a blade going loose.
gpderetta 2y ago
Both engines were running at the time of impact as apparently the plane was being maneuvered via differential thrust.

mrtksn 2y ago

Turbine blades puncturing the tail section? I'm not convinced. https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/8a578eea-0de8-4504-bd31-a99fe199787f/5d785621-4fa6-4999-8274-b4f3ee487041 https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/8a578eea-0de8-4504-... Unconfined engine failures do the fuselage damage in the proximity of the engine: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877750322000904 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187775032...

penultimatename 2y ago

Several anti-aircraft systems can and do use fragmentation warheads. The BUK that shot down MH17 used one and the impact patterns are strikingly similar. Take a look at the “Reconstruction” section in this: https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/miscellaneous-reports/mh17-crash-en.pdf https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/miscell...

morkalork 2y ago

Here's another incident you can compare against: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0nf7/an_il22_tailplane_hit_by_a_surfacetoair_missile/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0nf7/an_il22_t...

jemmyw 2y ago

They did in the past but they are designed now to disintegrate without taking the rest of the plane with them. Not that something unusual couldn't happen, but the engines are tested on this very thoroughly, based on previous accidents. Even when it has gone wrong in recent times it hasn't been catastrophic.

MoreMoore 2y ago

The Russian Buk, S-300 and S-400 largely use missiles with blast fragmentation. For example, see the SAMS section here: https://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/uploads/gichd/Publications/GICHD_Ukraine_Guide_2022_Second_Edition_web.pdf https://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/uploads/gichd/Publications/G...

talldayo 2y ago

> A turbine blade or a few coming off can have the same effect as a bomb going off near the plane. Not in any passenger jet Embraer would get caught dead making. To my knowledge, most jet engines that are parallel to passenger sections require cowling that is reinforced to withstand a blade going loose.

gpderetta 2y ago

Both engines were running at the time of impact as apparently the plane was being maneuvered via differential thrust.