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There are videos of the crashed tail section that show shrapnel damage. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0ijm/another_angle_at_unknown_holes_in_e1

• jiggawatts 2y ago
  A turbine blade or a few coming off can have the same effect as a bomb going off near the plane. The pieces would tear through the plane like shrapnel from a weapon. Military anti air missiles tend to use continuous rods to slice planes in half instead of fragmentation warheads that leave small holes. The aim is to sever control lines, not merely to puncture.
  • mrtksn 2y ago
    Turbine blades puncturing the tail section? I'm not convinced. https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/8a578eea-0de8-4504-bd31-a99fe199787f/5d785621-4fa6-4999-8274-b4f3ee487041 https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/8a578eea-0de8-4504-... Unconfined engine failures do the fuselage damage in the proximity of the engine: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877750322000904 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S187775032...
  • penultimatename 2y ago
    Several anti-aircraft systems can and do use fragmentation warheads. The BUK that shot down MH17 used one and the impact patterns are strikingly similar. Take a look at the “Reconstruction” section in this: https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/miscellaneous-reports/mh17-crash-en.pdf https://libraryonline.erau.edu/online-full-text/ntsb/miscell...
  • morkalork 2y ago
    Here's another incident you can compare against: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0nf7/an_il22_tailplane_hit_by_a_surfacetoair_missile/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1hm0nf7/an_il22_t...
  • jemmyw 2y ago
    They did in the past but they are designed now to disintegrate without taking the rest of the plane with them. Not that something unusual couldn't happen, but the engines are tested on this very thoroughly, based on previous accidents. Even when it has gone wrong in recent times it hasn't been catastrophic.
  • MoreMoore 2y ago
    The Russian Buk, S-300 and S-400 largely use missiles with blast fragmentation. For example, see the SAMS section here: https://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/uploads/gichd/Publications/GICHD_Ukraine_Guide_2022_Second_Edition_web.pdf https://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/uploads/gichd/Publications/G...
  • talldayo 2y ago
    > A turbine blade or a few coming off can have the same effect as a bomb going off near the plane. Not in any passenger jet Embraer would get caught dead making. To my knowledge, most jet engines that are parallel to passenger sections require cowling that is reinforced to withstand a blade going loose.
• quink 2y ago
  This whole thing feels more and more like a terrible nightmarish mash-up between MH17 and UA232. Every indication so far is that the flight crew here are absolute heroes for bringing down the plane as well as they did and it's likely that they should be remembered as heroically saving these lives, even if not their own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232
  • rasz 2y ago
    more recent example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Wagner_Group_plane_crash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Wagner_Group_plane_crash
• viraptor 2y ago
  Checking out the video, it's amazing anyone survived that one. The construction of the planes is really impressive.
  • Qem 2y ago
    It's an Embraer E190: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jet_family https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jet_family
    • TheGreatAIPurge 2y ago
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  • dralley 2y ago
    It's actually not terribly uncommon for crashes like this to be survivable, it just comes down to how shallow the decline ends up being and whether part of the fuselage snaps off and can get away from the burning fuel.