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This is not 100% true, You can interpret it if you want like it was done to shit on Discovery or you can interpret the opposite, but based on the "facts" there

This is not 100% true, You can interpret it if you want like it was done to shit on Discovery or you can interpret the opposite, but based on the "facts" there is no proof either way.

lupire 2y ago
Inside the Lower Decks universe, the characters of the Discovery Universe appear to be in an alternative universe.
- simion314 2y ago
  >Inside the Lower Decks universe, the characters of the Discovery Universe appear to be in an alternative universe. Correct, but how that proves that Discovery in the main universe does not exist? We seen a Garak for an other universe and that does prove that you can have same people , same ships, same uniforms in different universes, this was shown durin TNG. So the only thing proven is that Discovery exists in a different universe, it is not proven that it does not exist in the main universe. Let me know if my logic is wrong, we can try and formalize it better using any, exists, implies etc .
  - throwpoaster 2y ago
    Informally: Given that Lowerdecks is an extremely canon-oriented fan-service love letter to earlier shows that are known to be canon (ie, that it demonstrates consistency with obvious canon like TOS and TNG) the hypothesis that it's NOT in the main universe seems to be the one that requires a proliferation of assumptions and therefore more argumentation and data to support.
    - simion314 2y ago
      My point is that Lower Decks did not prove the theory that Disco is in a different universe. So it is just as much evidence as before this episode that Disco is not in the main universe. In fact tehre is no proof that TNG and TOS and Lower Decks are in the exact same universe and not in very similar parallel universes. Unless if on screen was shown that all 3 have same quantumm signature. I think it would make sense Disco is different universe , would make the fans happey too , but this episode brings no proof for it , though in a trek form or reddit I would let the fans to enoy this "fake news" , here or in Daystrom subreedit I am though expectic more logic.
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    Your logic is spot on. People trying to argue Discovery is in another universe are not being rational, but emotional.
- aSanchezStern 2y ago
  Well, technically it only establishes that there exist Klingons that look like the discovery Klingons in an alternate universe, not that there aren't also Klingons that look like discovery Klingons in the prime universe. That episode also seems to establish that there are universes that are temporally offset from the prime universe, as the transformations also include turning the Klingons into an older kind of Klingon ("proto-Klingons"), so it could just as well be that the discovery Klingons are just an older variant of Klingons. This idea is strengthened by the fact that Discovery and Strange New Worlds are clearly shown to take place in the same universe, with Discovery introducing the characters and ship that appear in Strange New Worlds, and Spock from Strange New Worlds reflecting on the events of Discovery. And SNW later shows TNG style Klingons, establishing that both styles (as well as presumably TOS style Klingons) coexist in the same universe. So I don't think the Lower Decks episode resolves anything about the Klingon-look at all, it was just a fun reference/gag. It could be that the shows exist in different timelines, but it could also be that any of the shows exist in different timelines that are just similar enough to make the references make sense. For instance, Lower Decks establishes that a Picard exists in it's universe, but also exists in many other universes (see the purple enterprise), so it doesn't necessarily take place in the same universe as TNG.
  - throwpoaster 2y ago
    If Discovery pulls SNW into the canon black hole with it there's no substantial loss. I wouldn't be too sad if Picard got sucked in too. Genuinely this is really good headcanon though -- a great illustration of why canon matters as an imagination tool.
    - Izkata 2y ago
      Problem: Strange New Worlds established it's in the same universe as Lower Decks in a crossover episode.
      - xref 2y ago
        Apparently _you’ve_ never heard of wizards!

This is not 100% true, You can interpret it if you want like it was done to shit on Discovery or you can interpret the opposite, but based on the "facts" there is no proof either way.

lupire 2y ago

Inside the Lower Decks universe, the characters of the Discovery Universe appear to be in an alternative universe.

simion314 2y ago
>Inside the Lower Decks universe, the characters of the Discovery Universe appear to be in an alternative universe. Correct, but how that proves that Discovery in the main universe does not exist? We seen a Garak for an other universe and that does prove that you can have same people , same ships, same uniforms in different universes, this was shown durin TNG. So the only thing proven is that Discovery exists in a different universe, it is not proven that it does not exist in the main universe. Let me know if my logic is wrong, we can try and formalize it better using any, exists, implies etc .
- throwpoaster 2y ago
  Informally: Given that Lowerdecks is an extremely canon-oriented fan-service love letter to earlier shows that are known to be canon (ie, that it demonstrates consistency with obvious canon like TOS and TNG) the hypothesis that it's NOT in the main universe seems to be the one that requires a proliferation of assumptions and therefore more argumentation and data to support.
  - simion314 2y ago
    My point is that Lower Decks did not prove the theory that Disco is in a different universe. So it is just as much evidence as before this episode that Disco is not in the main universe. In fact tehre is no proof that TNG and TOS and Lower Decks are in the exact same universe and not in very similar parallel universes. Unless if on screen was shown that all 3 have same quantumm signature. I think it would make sense Disco is different universe , would make the fans happey too , but this episode brings no proof for it , though in a trek form or reddit I would let the fans to enoy this "fake news" , here or in Daystrom subreedit I am though expectic more logic.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  Your logic is spot on. People trying to argue Discovery is in another universe are not being rational, but emotional.
aSanchezStern 2y ago
Well, technically it only establishes that there exist Klingons that look like the discovery Klingons in an alternate universe, not that there aren't also Klingons that look like discovery Klingons in the prime universe. That episode also seems to establish that there are universes that are temporally offset from the prime universe, as the transformations also include turning the Klingons into an older kind of Klingon ("proto-Klingons"), so it could just as well be that the discovery Klingons are just an older variant of Klingons. This idea is strengthened by the fact that Discovery and Strange New Worlds are clearly shown to take place in the same universe, with Discovery introducing the characters and ship that appear in Strange New Worlds, and Spock from Strange New Worlds reflecting on the events of Discovery. And SNW later shows TNG style Klingons, establishing that both styles (as well as presumably TOS style Klingons) coexist in the same universe. So I don't think the Lower Decks episode resolves anything about the Klingon-look at all, it was just a fun reference/gag. It could be that the shows exist in different timelines, but it could also be that any of the shows exist in different timelines that are just similar enough to make the references make sense. For instance, Lower Decks establishes that a Picard exists in it's universe, but also exists in many other universes (see the purple enterprise), so it doesn't necessarily take place in the same universe as TNG.
- throwpoaster 2y ago
  If Discovery pulls SNW into the canon black hole with it there's no substantial loss. I wouldn't be too sad if Picard got sucked in too. Genuinely this is really good headcanon though -- a great illustration of why canon matters as an imagination tool.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Problem: Strange New Worlds established it's in the same universe as Lower Decks in a crossover episode.
    - xref 2y ago
      Apparently _you’ve_ never heard of wizards!