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Tangential, after reading the description of the archipelago. Sweden is the country with most islands in the world, followed by Norway and Finland. https://ww

Tangential, after reading the description of the archipelago. Sweden is the country with most islands in the world, followed by Norway and Finland. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-countries-have-the-most-islands.html https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-countries-have-the...

yoavm 2y ago
If you've never visited the Stockholm archipelago, I highly recommend it. In fact, I think it's perhaps the best thing about Stockholm, and one of the most beautiful places in the world in general — if you're into sailing, islands and seas. It's almost too easy to find an island just for yourself for the weekend, and "Allemansrätten", the law that grants people the right to access wilderness, only makes it even more accessible. Going there at the midst of winter or during summer are both very different experiences, but both are very charming.
- casenmgreen 2y ago
  Also, the superb torpedo museum!
  - yoavm 2y ago
    A torpedo museum? Where is that?
    - spidersenses 2y ago
      Perhaps they were talking about this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Museum_(Stockholm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Museum_(Stockholm)
    - Luc 2y ago
      Probably the Naval Museum (which is different from the Maritime one): https://www.marinmuseum.se/en https://www.marinmuseum.se/en
    - casenmgreen 2y ago
      Mm. I can't find it now. I'm pretty sure it was Stockholm. Had a WW2 Mark 14 out front - one of those terrible American torpedoes. I do specifically mean a and only a torpedo museum (which is not huge, and was on a little island), not the Maritime Museum (which is huge).
- pimeys 2y ago
  Same with Helsinki and Turku archipelago. We've been spending the whole Christmas in my parent's cabins near Helsinki in a small island. It was a bit tricky to come here with a small boat due to the ice, but when we got here, we just heated up the sauna and started enjoying a very quiet island life.
- ionwake 2y ago
  Is it legal to camp overnight on them? I’m from Europe and when I saw the islands on the ferry to Helsinki’s from Stockholm I have to say I was amazed at the beauty so much so I’d love own property there now. Truly astonishing seeing kids on tiny row boats chilling on random rocks in the estuary
  - yoavm 2y ago
    It's completely legal, yes. As a matter of fact, it's so legal that sometimes you ask yourself why own land there, since technically you can even camp on private land thanks to allemansrätten.
    - pimeys 2y ago
      With one caveat: you can't be too close to any houses with your camp. I don't remember how far, but at least they should not be able to see you from their window...
      - pastage 2y ago
        Respect is the actual legal definition.... There is no legal distance and it depends and you need to respect peoples privacy. You can definitely camp where you can be seen, but if you can not be seen you are almost certainly in the clear. It is a tricky subject because you can do a lot on other peoples land as long as you are respectful. I have no problems with people camping on my land especially when they are walking or cycling while car camping is illegal in most instances.
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    Others mentioned not being too close to any houses. The second part is, you are not allowed to damage anything. Leave it as you found it. No trash, no damaging plant life, and so on. Also, exact rules differ from country to country, but generally the Nordics follow "everyman's rights" something like this: You cannot make a campfire, drive off-road, damage agricultural fields, cut down trees or damage trees (even the already fallen ones), go into pastures with cattle in them, and so on. Rule of thumb, don't bother the landowner, don't damage anything, and don't disrupt any of their income sources, including logging, fishing, agriculture etc. You can camp but if you want a campfire I suggest going to one of the designated camping areas; there's plenty of those too, even completely free log lean-tos and benches around a firepit and even free firewood hauled in, if you go remote enough. And then there's protected areas, with stricter rules. For example, if a rare bird is known to nest on some specific island, you might not be allowed to go on that island at all. But yes, if you're smart about it, you can camp almost anywhere.
eesmith 2y ago
Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Florida says "The U.S. state of Florida has a total of 4,510 islands that are ten acres or larger", suggesting that ten acres is the minimum sized used for "island" in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Maine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Maine says "Maine is home to over 4,600 coastal islands, ranging from large landmasses like Mount Desert Island to small islets and ledges exposed above mean high tide." Clearly these are not using the same definitions. I managed to find the Global Islands data set at https://www.sciencebase.gov/catalog/item/63bdf25dd34e92aad3cda273 https://www.sciencebase.gov/catalog/item/63bdf25dd34e92aad3c... with an explorer at https://rmgsc.cr.usgs.gov/gie/ https://rmgsc.cr.usgs.gov/gie/ which should have exactly what I want, except 1) it only lists ocean islands, not inland ones, and 2) I can't figure out how to get the data by country. It categories things as "Big Islands (greater than 1 km2), Small Islands (less than or equal to 1 km2 and greater than or equal to 0.0036 km2), and Very Small Islands (less than 0.0036 km2)." "There are 21,818 big islands in the database. The remaining 318,868 islands are all less than 1 km2 and are classed as small islands.' I give up.
- Etheryte 2y ago
  I don't think that quote implies a limit for the definition in any way. It just says that this is the count below a given threshold. It doesn't say anything about that threshold being a standard or anything of that sort.
  - eesmith 2y ago
    > below a given threshold Is the threshold the same for all listed countries, or does it use each country's specific definition of "island"? Is it all islands, or only ocean islands?
- LtWorf 2y ago

yoavm 2y ago

If you've never visited the Stockholm archipelago, I highly recommend it. In fact, I think it's perhaps the best thing about Stockholm, and one of the most beautiful places in the world in general — if you're into sailing, islands and seas. It's almost too easy to find an island just for yourself for the weekend, and "Allemansrätten", the law that grants people the right to access wilderness, only makes it even more accessible. Going there at the midst of winter or during summer are both very different experiences, but both are very charming.

casenmgreen 2y ago
Also, the superb torpedo museum!
- yoavm 2y ago
  A torpedo museum? Where is that?
  - spidersenses 2y ago
    Perhaps they were talking about this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Museum_(Stockholm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Museum_(Stockholm)
  - Luc 2y ago
    Probably the Naval Museum (which is different from the Maritime one): https://www.marinmuseum.se/en https://www.marinmuseum.se/en
  - casenmgreen 2y ago
    Mm. I can't find it now. I'm pretty sure it was Stockholm. Had a WW2 Mark 14 out front - one of those terrible American torpedoes. I do specifically mean a and only a torpedo museum (which is not huge, and was on a little island), not the Maritime Museum (which is huge).
pimeys 2y ago
Same with Helsinki and Turku archipelago. We've been spending the whole Christmas in my parent's cabins near Helsinki in a small island. It was a bit tricky to come here with a small boat due to the ice, but when we got here, we just heated up the sauna and started enjoying a very quiet island life.
ionwake 2y ago
Is it legal to camp overnight on them? I’m from Europe and when I saw the islands on the ferry to Helsinki’s from Stockholm I have to say I was amazed at the beauty so much so I’d love own property there now. Truly astonishing seeing kids on tiny row boats chilling on random rocks in the estuary
- yoavm 2y ago
  It's completely legal, yes. As a matter of fact, it's so legal that sometimes you ask yourself why own land there, since technically you can even camp on private land thanks to allemansrätten.
  - pimeys 2y ago
    With one caveat: you can't be too close to any houses with your camp. I don't remember how far, but at least they should not be able to see you from their window...
    - pastage 2y ago
      Respect is the actual legal definition.... There is no legal distance and it depends and you need to respect peoples privacy. You can definitely camp where you can be seen, but if you can not be seen you are almost certainly in the clear. It is a tricky subject because you can do a lot on other peoples land as long as you are respectful. I have no problems with people camping on my land especially when they are walking or cycling while car camping is illegal in most instances.
- yencabulator 2y ago
  Others mentioned not being too close to any houses. The second part is, you are not allowed to damage anything. Leave it as you found it. No trash, no damaging plant life, and so on. Also, exact rules differ from country to country, but generally the Nordics follow "everyman's rights" something like this: You cannot make a campfire, drive off-road, damage agricultural fields, cut down trees or damage trees (even the already fallen ones), go into pastures with cattle in them, and so on. Rule of thumb, don't bother the landowner, don't damage anything, and don't disrupt any of their income sources, including logging, fishing, agriculture etc. You can camp but if you want a campfire I suggest going to one of the designated camping areas; there's plenty of those too, even completely free log lean-tos and benches around a firepit and even free firewood hauled in, if you go remote enough. And then there's protected areas, with stricter rules. For example, if a rare bird is known to nest on some specific island, you might not be allowed to go on that island at all. But yes, if you're smart about it, you can camp almost anywhere.

eesmith 2y ago

Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Florida says "The U.S. state of Florida has a total of 4,510 islands that are ten acres or larger", suggesting that ten acres is the minimum sized used for "island" in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Maine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Maine says "Maine is home to over 4,600 coastal islands, ranging from large landmasses like Mount Desert Island to small islets and ledges exposed above mean high tide." Clearly these are not using the same definitions. I managed to find the Global Islands data set at https://www.sciencebase.gov/catalog/item/63bdf25dd34e92aad3cda273 https://www.sciencebase.gov/catalog/item/63bdf25dd34e92aad3c... with an explorer at https://rmgsc.cr.usgs.gov/gie/ https://rmgsc.cr.usgs.gov/gie/ which should have exactly what I want, except 1) it only lists ocean islands, not inland ones, and 2) I can't figure out how to get the data by country. It categories things as "Big Islands (greater than 1 km2), Small Islands (less than or equal to 1 km2 and greater than or equal to 0.0036 km2), and Very Small Islands (less than 0.0036 km2)." "There are 21,818 big islands in the database. The remaining 318,868 islands are all less than 1 km2 and are classed as small islands.' I give up.

Etheryte 2y ago
I don't think that quote implies a limit for the definition in any way. It just says that this is the count below a given threshold. It doesn't say anything about that threshold being a standard or anything of that sort.
- eesmith 2y ago
  > below a given threshold Is the threshold the same for all listed countries, or does it use each country's specific definition of "island"? Is it all islands, or only ocean islands?
LtWorf 2y ago