4 ms·

You kid, but I foresee a future where stagnant countries fight over the immigrants from the last few countries that are reproducing. This is not just a problem

You kid, but I foresee a future where stagnant countries fight over the immigrants from the last few countries that are reproducing. This is not just a problem in Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate Blue on the map indicates negative fertility rates. The economic systems we have will be destroyed by not having new entrants to the ponzi for the old to retire on. We will realize that expecting the economic growth forever we are used to without population growth forever is folly. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2022/12/the-long-term-decline-in-fertility-and-what-it-means-for-state-budgets https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-bri...

ok654321 2y ago
[dead]
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Productive immigrants, not those who you would pay to go home (as Sweden is doing). Economic drag would not help the situation. Sweden to pay immigrants $34,000 for voluntary return home - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41549199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41549199 - Sep 2024 (9 comments) Sweden will offer migrants $34k to go home - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41548399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41548399 - Sep 2024 (214 comments) Sweden to pay refugees up to 341,00 USD to return - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41541481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41541481 - Sep 2024 (9 comments)
rosmax_1337 2y ago
Right, countries will be launching blockades and wars over the invaluable contribution that for example Sub-Saharan Africans can give to a country.
robocat 2y ago
In New Zealand we encourage immigration: 30% of the population was born overseas (very few refugees). Personally it feels like we are just delaying demographic problems because those immigrants also become elderly and costly in time. The main problem is that we have a serious outflow of 20-30 year olds leaving for other countries, so just encouraging more kids is not the answer here. I suspect the outflow is caused because 20-30 year olds can't get ahead financially or buy a house. They often move to Australia to earn more in a warmer clime where housing is more accessible.

ok654321 2y ago

[dead]

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Productive immigrants, not those who you would pay to go home (as Sweden is doing). Economic drag would not help the situation. Sweden to pay immigrants $34,000 for voluntary return home - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41549199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41549199 - Sep 2024 (9 comments) Sweden will offer migrants $34k to go home - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41548399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41548399 - Sep 2024 (214 comments) Sweden to pay refugees up to 341,00 USD to return - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41541481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41541481 - Sep 2024 (9 comments)

rosmax_1337 2y ago

Right, countries will be launching blockades and wars over the invaluable contribution that for example Sub-Saharan Africans can give to a country.

robocat 2y ago

In New Zealand we encourage immigration: 30% of the population was born overseas (very few refugees). Personally it feels like we are just delaying demographic problems because those immigrants also become elderly and costly in time. The main problem is that we have a serious outflow of 20-30 year olds leaving for other countries, so just encouraging more kids is not the answer here. I suspect the outflow is caused because 20-30 year olds can't get ahead financially or buy a house. They often move to Australia to earn more in a warmer clime where housing is more accessible.