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OK, i am ignorant, but why do most Jewish people eat Chinese food on Christmas? Is there something I am missing?

by AznHisoka 2y ago

fumplethumb 2y ago
Most other places are closed. Chinese restaurants are typically open on Christmas!
chuckwnelson 2y ago
My understanding is it's the only other places that are open on Christmas.
pitaj 2y ago
I believe it's because Chinese restaurants historically are the only ones open since they don't celebrate Christmas.
tasty_freeze 2y ago
Chinese restaurants are often owned by first or second generation Chinese immigrants who (1) aren't Christian and (2) haven't been in the US long enough to adopt local customs. Since restaurants often are marginally profitable, they tend to stay open on Christmas because there is profit to be made, especially since most of the competition is closed that day. If you are Jewish, Christmas obviously isn't nearly as important to your (often nominally) Christian neighbors and there isn't much to do on Christmas day. If you decide you don't want to cook, Chinese restaurants are way over-represented in the choice of open restaurants. Once you do that for a couple years it becomes its own tradition. I grew up in a Catholic household but my family, after years of making Turkey and spending hours cooking, for the past few years has switched to Chinese food on Christmas. I don't miss the turkey and gravy.
- throwup238 2y ago
  Chinese restaurants will also often have whole roast duck which is an easy way to get the dinner centerpiece if you’re cooking the rest. My family doesn’t eat out but we always get a whole duck on Christmas and Thanksgiving (it’s a 20 year old tradition at this point).
woodruffw 2y ago
Others have mentioned that it's because Chinese places are open, but another reason is that Chinese food is (or was) not obviously treif, meaning that there is (or was) a degree of plausible deniability around eating it. Source: family apocrypha.
- emchammer 2y ago
  I was not aware that the error bars between kashrut and marit ayin are that wide. I figured that it was because of the intersection of Jewish middle class culture and Chinese culture starting in the 1930s, and because Chinese restaurants generally do not serve dairy products.
  - woodruffw 2y ago
    I think those are factors as well! This is all apocrypha, so take it with a grain of salt. But my understanding is that this would be a case where marit ayin would not be a significant concern, since the Chinese dishes in question were not visually identifiable as e.g. pork. Or another framing: if you were a semi-secular family (like mine) that tried to keep a semi-kosher home, it would be easier to eat a dish that contained finely minced pork or shellfish or similar. American Chinese food fits those parameters while also being available on Christmas, etc.
- ilbeeper 2y ago
  I was under the impression that Chinese food is all about pork. Something like that Modi's rant: https://m.facebook.com/reel/1021462526286349 https://m.facebook.com/reel/1021462526286349
  - woodruffw 2y ago
    There's also a lot of vegetarian/non-pork-but-fleishig Chinese food. But the point was more that Chinese food that isn't kosher isn't obviously so, especially 60-70 years ago when it was less commonplace.
nozzlegear 2y ago
My Christmas Eve tradition with my wife for the last 14 years has been to eat as much Chinese food as we possibly can at our favorite Chinese place. Then we drive around town looking at Christmas lights while listening to classic Christmas music. Neither of us are religious, but we were both raised Christian. I came into this thread thinking that I don't really have any great Christmas memories. My family was poor growing up, my parents shouldn't have been together for as long as they tried to make it work, and my father had a lot of issues with drugs and alcohol. But now that I think about it, these Christmas Eve memories with my wife are my favorite.
james_marks 2y ago
It’s not just Jewish people; it’s anyone who doesn’t want to cook, and Chinese restaurants are historically the only thing open.

OK, i am ignorant, but why do most Jewish people eat Chinese food on Christmas? Is there something I am missing?

fumplethumb 2y ago

Most other places are closed. Chinese restaurants are typically open on Christmas!

chuckwnelson 2y ago

My understanding is it's the only other places that are open on Christmas.

pitaj 2y ago

I believe it's because Chinese restaurants historically are the only ones open since they don't celebrate Christmas.

tasty_freeze 2y ago

Chinese restaurants are often owned by first or second generation Chinese immigrants who (1) aren't Christian and (2) haven't been in the US long enough to adopt local customs. Since restaurants often are marginally profitable, they tend to stay open on Christmas because there is profit to be made, especially since most of the competition is closed that day. If you are Jewish, Christmas obviously isn't nearly as important to your (often nominally) Christian neighbors and there isn't much to do on Christmas day. If you decide you don't want to cook, Chinese restaurants are way over-represented in the choice of open restaurants. Once you do that for a couple years it becomes its own tradition. I grew up in a Catholic household but my family, after years of making Turkey and spending hours cooking, for the past few years has switched to Chinese food on Christmas. I don't miss the turkey and gravy.

throwup238 2y ago
Chinese restaurants will also often have whole roast duck which is an easy way to get the dinner centerpiece if you’re cooking the rest. My family doesn’t eat out but we always get a whole duck on Christmas and Thanksgiving (it’s a 20 year old tradition at this point).

woodruffw 2y ago

Others have mentioned that it's because Chinese places are open, but another reason is that Chinese food is (or was) not obviously treif, meaning that there is (or was) a degree of plausible deniability around eating it. Source: family apocrypha.

emchammer 2y ago
I was not aware that the error bars between kashrut and marit ayin are that wide. I figured that it was because of the intersection of Jewish middle class culture and Chinese culture starting in the 1930s, and because Chinese restaurants generally do not serve dairy products.
- woodruffw 2y ago
  I think those are factors as well! This is all apocrypha, so take it with a grain of salt. But my understanding is that this would be a case where marit ayin would not be a significant concern, since the Chinese dishes in question were not visually identifiable as e.g. pork. Or another framing: if you were a semi-secular family (like mine) that tried to keep a semi-kosher home, it would be easier to eat a dish that contained finely minced pork or shellfish or similar. American Chinese food fits those parameters while also being available on Christmas, etc.
ilbeeper 2y ago
I was under the impression that Chinese food is all about pork. Something like that Modi's rant: https://m.facebook.com/reel/1021462526286349 https://m.facebook.com/reel/1021462526286349
- woodruffw 2y ago
  There's also a lot of vegetarian/non-pork-but-fleishig Chinese food. But the point was more that Chinese food that isn't kosher isn't obviously so, especially 60-70 years ago when it was less commonplace.

nozzlegear 2y ago

My Christmas Eve tradition with my wife for the last 14 years has been to eat as much Chinese food as we possibly can at our favorite Chinese place. Then we drive around town looking at Christmas lights while listening to classic Christmas music. Neither of us are religious, but we were both raised Christian. I came into this thread thinking that I don't really have any great Christmas memories. My family was poor growing up, my parents shouldn't have been together for as long as they tried to make it work, and my father had a lot of issues with drugs and alcohol. But now that I think about it, these Christmas Eve memories with my wife are my favorite.

james_marks 2y ago

It’s not just Jewish people; it’s anyone who doesn’t want to cook, and Chinese restaurants are historically the only thing open.