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Ruby is getting more and more awesome these last few years, especially when it comes to performance. Since 3.3 I've been running all my apps with --yjit, it mak

Ruby is getting more and more awesome these last few years, especially when it comes to performance. Since 3.3 I've been running all my apps with --yjit, it makes a tremendous difference!

Alifatisk 2y ago
Wait until you hear about TruffleRuby
- phoronixrly 2y ago
  Thanks, but no thanks. Never touching anything by oracle.
  - Alifatisk 2y ago
    No wait, I know Oracle has a bad rep which is deserved, but TruffleRuby and GraalVM is truly open-source, not open-core. They actually did something great this time. Someone pointed this out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42323293 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42323293
    - tekknolagi 2y ago
      GraalVM tends toward open core. They have entire test suites and test tools that are internal-only that make developing it kind of difficult.
    - phoronixrly 2y ago
      > You will need to sign the Oracle Contributor Agreement (using an online form) for us to able to review and merge your work. Read my lips: N. O. Read the CLA. This is a trap, do not get yourself or your company caught in it. It is open-source for now, until it gets enough traction. Then the rug will be pulled, the code will be relicensed as well as any further development or contributions. This is insane, I cannot believe anyone can read and understand this and not consider the abuses of power it allows: > 2. With respect to any worldwide copyrights, or copyright applications and registrations, in your contribution: > ... > you agree that each of us can do all things in relation to your contribution as if each of us were the sole owners, and if one of us makes a derivative work of your contribution, the one who makes the derivative work (or has it made) will be the sole owner of that derivative work; > you agree that you will not assert any moral rights in your contribution against us, our licensees or transferees; > you agree that we may register a copyright in your contribution and exercise all ownership rights associated with it; and > you agree that neither of us has any duty to consult with, obtain the consent of, pay or render an accounting to the other for any use or distribution of your contribution. I would go as far as to state that anyone who contributes any code to this works against open source (by helping out an obvious rugpull/embrace-extend-extinguish scheme that diverts adoption and contribution from cruby/jruby) and against their fellow developers (by working for free for Oracle).
      - ksec 2y ago
        I mean Java and MySQL are from Oracle as well.
        phoronixrly 2y ago
        MySQL was forked and the fork is the defacto standard shipped by linux distros. To me the only MySQL that existed was the one by Sun, now MariaDB has completely succeeded it. Do you see the licensing/distrubution clusterfuck with Java as a good example of open-source stewardship by Oracle? Which Java disto are you using?[1] Do you see the Google v. Oracle Java API copyright case as a good example of open-source stewardship by Oracle? You know what else is prudently (/s) stewarded by Oracle? ZFS. That is why it is still not a part of the Linux kernel. A company that is basically a meme with the amount of lawyers it imploys would easily find a safe way to allow integration into the Linux kernel if only they wanted to contribute. The examples above show exactly why Oracle has a decidedly bad reputation. On top of that, their CLA enshrines their shit treatment of the open-source movement and their free slave labour^W^W^W open-source contributors. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK#OpenJDK_builds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK#OpenJDK_builds
        pjmlp 2y ago
        > Do you see the Google v. Oracle Java API copyright case as a good example of open-source stewardship by Oracle? 100% YES, given the clusterfuck support of standard Java on Android. It is no different from what Microsoft has made with J++ on Windows, and like they came up with .NET, Google came up with Kotlin migration, ironically they keep relying on the standard Java that they don't support, for InteliJ, Gradle, and everything else that powers Android SDK on the desktop. Google could have avoided the lawsuit if they bought Sun, after torpedoing it with Android, they thought no one would buy the company and were safe from paying anyone, wrong call.
      - Alifatisk 2y ago
        Oh wow! Thanks for the clarification! Is the case same with JRuby?

Ruby is getting more and more awesome these last few years, especially when it comes to performance. Since 3.3 I've been running all my apps with --yjit, it makes a tremendous difference!

Alifatisk 2y ago

Wait until you hear about TruffleRuby

phoronixrly 2y ago
Thanks, but no thanks. Never touching anything by oracle.
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  No wait, I know Oracle has a bad rep which is deserved, but TruffleRuby and GraalVM is truly open-source, not open-core. They actually did something great this time. Someone pointed this out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42323293 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42323293
  - tekknolagi 2y ago
    GraalVM tends toward open core. They have entire test suites and test tools that are internal-only that make developing it kind of difficult.
  - phoronixrly 2y ago
    > You will need to sign the Oracle Contributor Agreement (using an online form) for us to able to review and merge your work. Read my lips: N. O. Read the CLA. This is a trap, do not get yourself or your company caught in it. It is open-source for now, until it gets enough traction. Then the rug will be pulled, the code will be relicensed as well as any further development or contributions. This is insane, I cannot believe anyone can read and understand this and not consider the abuses of power it allows: > 2. With respect to any worldwide copyrights, or copyright applications and registrations, in your contribution: > ... > you agree that each of us can do all things in relation to your contribution as if each of us were the sole owners, and if one of us makes a derivative work of your contribution, the one who makes the derivative work (or has it made) will be the sole owner of that derivative work; > you agree that you will not assert any moral rights in your contribution against us, our licensees or transferees; > you agree that we may register a copyright in your contribution and exercise all ownership rights associated with it; and > you agree that neither of us has any duty to consult with, obtain the consent of, pay or render an accounting to the other for any use or distribution of your contribution. I would go as far as to state that anyone who contributes any code to this works against open source (by helping out an obvious rugpull/embrace-extend-extinguish scheme that diverts adoption and contribution from cruby/jruby) and against their fellow developers (by working for free for Oracle).
    - ksec 2y ago
      I mean Java and MySQL are from Oracle as well.
      - phoronixrly 2y ago
        MySQL was forked and the fork is the defacto standard shipped by linux distros. To me the only MySQL that existed was the one by Sun, now MariaDB has completely succeeded it. Do you see the licensing/distrubution clusterfuck with Java as a good example of open-source stewardship by Oracle? Which Java disto are you using?[1] Do you see the Google v. Oracle Java API copyright case as a good example of open-source stewardship by Oracle? You know what else is prudently (/s) stewarded by Oracle? ZFS. That is why it is still not a part of the Linux kernel. A company that is basically a meme with the amount of lawyers it imploys would easily find a safe way to allow integration into the Linux kernel if only they wanted to contribute. The examples above show exactly why Oracle has a decidedly bad reputation. On top of that, their CLA enshrines their shit treatment of the open-source movement and their free slave labour^W^W^W open-source contributors. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK#OpenJDK_builds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenJDK#OpenJDK_builds
        pjmlp 2y ago
        > Do you see the Google v. Oracle Java API copyright case as a good example of open-source stewardship by Oracle? 100% YES, given the clusterfuck support of standard Java on Android. It is no different from what Microsoft has made with J++ on Windows, and like they came up with .NET, Google came up with Kotlin migration, ironically they keep relying on the standard Java that they don't support, for InteliJ, Gradle, and everything else that powers Android SDK on the desktop. Google could have avoided the lawsuit if they bought Sun, after torpedoing it with Android, they thought no one would buy the company and were safe from paying anyone, wrong call.
    - Alifatisk 2y ago
      Oh wow! Thanks for the clarification! Is the case same with JRuby?