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- peutetre 2y agoBypass Chrome altogether. Use Firefox.
- infotainment 2y agoIf only Mozilla (the parent organization) wasn’t horrible. Can’t a non-crazy nonprofit make a browser?
- wkat4242 2y agoWhat's so horrible about it? I don't like how they're pampering to the ad industry now but other than that I think they're pretty decent.
- 6510 2y agoIf I donate to your project I hope the money goes towards your project. If you spend it on beer or buy Jacuzzi I'm happy too. If you chose to spend it on other projects ill be excited to learn what they are. https://future.mozilla.org/projects/ https://future.mozilla.org/projects/ Do you use any of that? Is there anything there I should be using? (honest question) It seems premature to donate to things I don't know. > Solo helps entrepreneurs expand their web presence with a suite of AI-backed tools for building websites, optimizing for SEO, and showcasing your best work. > Solo will instantly create a beautiful website so you can grow your business. > Improve brand visibility: SEO keywords are automatically added to help drive search traffic. View statistics by connecting a Google Analytics account. I'm very biased no doubt, it reads like I donate to progress the commercial web, more canned template websites, product SEO and to promote the use of google analytics. I'm sure it is awesome to some people, to me it is the opposite, I'm sure it is a project that should exist some place but I don't want to pay for it. The web browser can still be infinitely improved.
- krabizzwainch 2y agoClicked the future projects link. Thought the DidThis project sounded interesting. Aaaannnddd it's already a dead project as of 2 months ago.
- emptysongglass 2y agoI mean Llamafile is great and is built on fantastic tech, but no I definitely want my Mozilla money to go to Firefox, not what Thing is currently in vogue by Mozilla execs.
- debugnik 2y ago> If I donate to your project I hope the money goes towards your project. Firefox is not a project of the Mozilla Foundation, but the Mozilla Corporation, so you just can't donate to Firefox at all; in fact, the money flows the opposite direction between them. I know it's frustrating but this argument is misleading yet keeps showing up in every thread.
- 6510 2y agoFascinating, thanks for the explanation/correction, it makes it even worse than I thought.
- kumarsw 2y agoI don't know about their other expenses, but SEO/advertising is probably one of their better uses of money even if we don't like it. It's hard to gain market share against a browser that is pitched each time you do a Google search no matter how good the product is.
- infotainment 2y agoThey also fired a whole bunch of software engineers (including everyone working on Servo), and then massively boosted their executives' salaries, so that was certainly something.
- peutetre 2y agoAs a criticism that applies equally to Google. Google lays off engineers: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24034124/google-layoffs-engineering-assistant-hardware https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24034124/google-layoffs-e... Google boosts their executive's compensation: https://www.businessinsider.com/alphabet-google-executive-pay-cfo-president-200-performance-stock-payout-2024-5?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/alphabet-google-executive-pa...
- fastily 2y agoIMO it’s a matter of principle. Mozilla is supposed to be a non-profit that exists to support the development of a FOSS browser and its related projects. Over the years it seems like they’ve strayed from this mission, behaving more and more like the big corporations they claim not to be like
- peutetre 2y ago> IMO it’s a matter of principle. Eh? So Chrome should be used because Google has no principles? Here's the Mozilla Manifesto: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ They explicitly state that they want the internet to benefit the public good as well as commercial use. Principle number 9 is: "Commercial involvement in the development of the internet brings many benefits; a balance between commercial profit and public benefit is critical." Mozilla clearly strikes that balance better than Google does.
- fastily 2y agoNo, I never said anywhere that chrome should be used. As a matter of fact, I use Firefox myself. My original observation was that Mozilla presents itself as a benevolent non-profit yet behaves like soulless for-profit tech company, abandoning valuable FOSS initiatives and carelessly laying off employees, all while increasing executive pay
- PittleyDunkin 2y agoMozilla can't be worse than google (or brave/opera etc)
- fnqi8ckfek 2y agoMozilla let's me use ublock origin, Google doesn't.
- mazambazz 2y agoI think you need to be a little bit crazy to enter the browser space. It's not for the feint of heart.
- christophilus 2y ago*faint of heart
- weikju 2y ago> Can’t a non-crazy nonprofit make a browser? Here’s to hoping LadyBird remains non crazy and can be relevant by the time of their planned alpha release in 2026.
- lobsterthief 2y agoTo be honest it needs a different name if it’s going to hit critical mass adoption with the average consumer.
- rascul 2y agoWhat's wrong with ladybird?
- catlikesshrimp 2y agoNetscape, Edge, Chrome, Safari, Firefox, All have a pop appeal to them (the names) "Ladybug" makes a reference to a bug. And not a thrilling one.
- mynameyeff 2y agoWhat are your qualms with Brave Browser?
- rascul 2y agoI'm not convinced that it's much more than a Chrome skin with an integrated crypto scam.
- bufferoverflow 2y agoYou don't have to use the crypto features.
- Meph504 2y agowhen the defense of a project is that you can turn off the bad features, you aren't really making a chase better than say chrome or anything else. A product built on trust, shouldn't involve having to go turn off untrustworthy elements.
- mynameyeff 2y agoThe crypto part isn’t something you turn off. It’s buried in a menu somewhere. For all intents and purposes, it’s a pretty elegant UX.
- Ageodene 2y agoYou don't need to "turn off the bad features" because they are opt-in to begin with.
- satvikpendem 2y agoI shouldn't need to opt into or out of features that shouldn't exist in the first place, much less in a browser.
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- steelframe 2y ago> If only Mozilla (the parent organization) wasn’t horrible. Well, they're not getting any of my money, and they're not selling my eyeballs to any advertisers. For a while I used a filesystem written by a convicted murderer. I'm not sure at what point I'm supposed to avoid software because of who wrote it.
- jldl805 2y agoFirefox on ChromeOS sucks though. Just went through this, tried Canary, etc. Went back to Chrome.
- olyjohn 2y agoBypass ChromeOS alltogether. Use a different Linux distro.
- jldl805 2y agoI do. But I have a chromebook too.
- likeabatterycar 2y agoJust ChromeOS? Firefox on Mac sucks. Here is one example: Firefox's tracking of the mouse cursor is broken, and often (yes, it's inconsistent) applies a vector translation so when trying to click something like a button or menu, the cursor needs to be about 100 x-y pixels away from the target. Only Firefox native UI is affected. These are My_First_Program.app tier bugs that should not exist in mature, 20 year old software. Phoenix 0.1 didn't have this many beginner bugs. Mozilla has lost its way and only continues to exist because Google funds them to be a paper tiger competitor. Opera sold out to the Chinese. Microsoft gave up and now simps Google. Apple only supports their own platform. What is left?
- grecy 2y agoI’ve been using Firefox on OS X since forever (never jumped to chrome and back) and I’ve never experienced this. Is there a bug report? Surely this would get a lot of attention.
- ben_w 2y ago> Here is one example: Firefox's tracking of the mouse cursor is broken, and often (yes, it's inconsistent) applies a vector translation so when trying to click something like a button or menu, the cursor needs to be about 100 x-y pixels away from the target. Only Firefox native UI is affected. These are My_First_Program.app tier bugs that should not exist in mature, 20 year old software. While I've not noticed that myself, just yesterday I noticed something similarly weird. I had a Safari window that was persistently half the screen width and height away from where the mouse was. As in: click to drag, and the whole window jumped half the screen down and to the right, so I couldn't get it to any other quadrant of any screen. Fixed on restarting the app. I don't know if that was an app bug or an OS bug, but in either case it's Apple's fault. How did we get to this?
- fp64 2y agoHow can I swap ^W and ^D in Firefox? For Chrome I found an extension that works (…worked?) fine, the only thing for Firefox I found would be compiling it myself, which I find a much worse experience than compiling Chromium myself (neither of which I like doing)
- pavel_lishin 2y agoWhat do those do?
- fp64 2y ago^w is delete word in vim/bash/everywhere else. It’s terrible whenever I accidentally type this in the browser and the window closes. I typically close terminal windows with ctrl-d so I have this mapped in my browser as well. It’s really muscle memory and I do not want to change it
- slenk 2y agoBy that same logic, ^w is used as close window everywhere else
- fp64 2y agoNot for me, I hardly use anything GUI apart from my browser. Can’t actually think of anything right now apart from some niche tools. Either way, the fact that I can customise it that easily in Chrome but not in Firefox is a huge factor why I don’t like using Firefox
- chupasaurus 2y agoNot in Windows (pun unintended) where it works only in Explorer.
- nonamesleft 2y agoPatch localization/en-US/browser/browserSets.ftl in your browser/omni.ja (a .zip with a weird file extension), it contains stuff like: close-shortcut = .key = W See: https://github.com/SebastianSimon/firefox-omni-tweaks https://github.com/SebastianSimon/firefox-omni-tweaks how it can be done. I do this myself as ctrl-n has to be new tab for me, forever, and firefox broke the old keyconfig extension years and years ago. (I had ctrl-n create tabs with an external window manager back in netscape 4 times and opera (pre-chrome-fork one) after that.)
- redserk 2y agoThis is just kicking the can down the road. The bigger question is how the Chromium forks are going to respond long-term. I suspect the APIs enabling ad blocking are only going to get more clamped down requiring additional work for forks.
- tech234a 2y agoPolicy-installed extensions can continue to use the WebRequest blocking APIs on Manifest V3 [1], so I would expect that the underlying code for the API would remain available for forks to use. [1] https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/reference/api/webRequest https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/reference/api/w...
- IronRod 2y agoBrave has committed to do what they can as long as they can. But unsure how long and what that really turns out to be. https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/ https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/
- mindcrash 2y agoLike I said before, Brave even has a better solution because it has a uBlock compatible ad blocker _built in straight into its core_ (but its disabled by default). Same block lists, same safety assurances. Although I still use Firefox with uBlock as my daily driver at home, Brave with block lists and Shields is right next to it (and I use it as my daily driver at work). It works pretty damn well!
- sebazzz 2y agoThat is easy talking from Brave as long as it is still a config flag, then after a compile-time flag. Once the internal APIs for MV2 or where MV2 get removed or changed it becomes very difficult to maintain. Never mind the possible security issues you introduce, but won’t get so quickly discovered, because Brave is a smaller target.
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- sss111 2y agoand its really easy on MacOS, you just have to run defaults write com.google.Chrome.plist ExtensionManifestV2Availability -int 2 Another case where windows makes simple things unnecessarily cumbersome
- wqaatwt 2y agoYou can’t edit config files on Windows from the terminal? Not really an expert but PowerShell always seemed kind of more “powerful” and/or complex than bash
- sss111 2y agoThese are the instructions for Windows from OP's reddit post: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/discussions/2977#discussioncomment-9086303 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/discussions/29... So much more complicated.
- SturgeonsLaw 2y agoIt's a one liner in Powershell New-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Policies\Google\Chrome" -Name "ExtensionManifestV2Availability" -Value 2 -PropertyType DWORD -Force
- Dalewyn 2y ago>So much more complicated. Are you one of those guys[1] who doesn't understand files and folders? Seriously, the only thing you're exhibiting is your abject ignorance of Windows and possibly computers in general which are not something you should be proud of. [1]: https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-dont-know-what-files-and-folders-are-professors-say https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/09/27/2032200/students-do...
- blangk 2y agoIts not even that. They say its more complicated but it's basically the exact same thing. Registry entry's are arguably the windows equivalent of a Mac os plist.