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> It's not dramatic at all. It was not the show that "saved" him; it was cellphone location data that got the charges dismissed. He was never on trial with the

> It's not dramatic at all. It was not the show that "saved" him; it was cellphone location data that got the charges dismissed. He was never on trial with the possibility of death row because it never got that far.

kenjackson 2y ago
TV footage seems like a WAY better alibi than cell phone pings.
- 1659447091 2y ago
  Not when it was taped an hour and 22 minutes before the murder > "The discovery seemed a home run for Juan, who by then had been in jail over a month. Still, the prosecutor argued that the footage was from 9:10 p.m. — and the murder had occurred at 10:32. Juan ostensibly could have left early, driven to the scene of the crime, and still had time to kill Puebla."
  - whatshisface 2y ago
    Somebody needs to tell them that guilt is what has to be established beyond a reasonable doubt...
    - idle_zealot 2y ago
      Not true for jail; only probable cause or reasonable suspicion is required to lock someone up awaiting a court date. Which, of course, can easily ruin someone's life (missing work, deepening debts, the accusation itself can damage reputation). In this case the accused was awarded damages, but that's not usually how this plays out. It's a huge structural problem with our justice system that spits in the face of "innocent until proven guilty." Any attempt to change it though is met with backlash about not being sufficiently tough on crime, and letting dangerous criminals walking the streets, preventing our law enforcement from doijg their jobs, etc.
      - 1659447091 2y ago
        > In this case the accused was awarded damages, but that's not usually how this plays out. The false imprisonment & settlement had to do with the clerical error that had him report back to jail after being cleared of charges. (an ongoing problem in its own right) It is a completely separate issue from being locked up while charges were pending.
- rgavuliak 2y ago
  Why would you think that? Cell phone ping data is stored for a good amount of time and generated by a 3rd party that has no involvement in the case. Of course the phone can be given to someone else, but it has advantages over suspect generated data.
  - kenjackson 2y ago
    The last issue you noted. There was a notorious Instagram page for criminals that noted this as one of the key things to do before committing crime — have an accomplice keep your phone.
    - sidewndr46 2y ago
      Not even that. You could just sit the phone under a park bench.
shiroiushi 2y ago
He was in jail for a month, all because some idiot thought he looked like the killer. He could have gone on trial, and much worse, if he didn't have solid evidence proving it wasn't him. Countless people have been imprisoned and executed just because of eyewitness testimony. How many black men have been killed because some white person who thinks they all look alike said on the stand "it was him!"? Eyewitness testimony shouldn't even be allowed, because it's so unreliable.
- 1659447091 2y ago
  He was never facing death row; there was no trial for that to be a possibility. The unnecessary speculation of death row has no barring on this story. There are real cases that have made it to trial where your argument is better suited. He was in jail for a month, but not prison (there is a difference here) and nowhere near death row. I didn't see where the reason was, my guess is he could not afford bail (a separate problem altogether from this story). Prosecutors had reason to believe it was him; not only from an eye witness but because he had a record and had motive. >> "..Martha Puebla, who had recently testified at a preliminary hearing about a gang murder in which Juan’s brother Mario was charged as an accessory. (Mario was convicted and is currently serving time.) Authorities argued that Juan — who had been in the courtroom during the hearing — had killed Puebla in retaliation for cooperating with police." The NYPost article hints all the drama over this case is for a Netflix documentary: >> "As covered in the Netflix documentary “Long Shot,” out Friday, Juan’s innocence would ultimately rest on a near brush with fame — more specifically, with Larry David and “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” If not for the involvement of Curb Your Enthusiasm and a documentary, this would simply be another case that got dismissed from an alibi checking out and never making so much as a local community newsletter. Thus, the title is dramatic as it does not accurately summarize the truth of the story.

kenjackson 2y ago

TV footage seems like a WAY better alibi than cell phone pings.

1659447091 2y ago
Not when it was taped an hour and 22 minutes before the murder > "The discovery seemed a home run for Juan, who by then had been in jail over a month. Still, the prosecutor argued that the footage was from 9:10 p.m. — and the murder had occurred at 10:32. Juan ostensibly could have left early, driven to the scene of the crime, and still had time to kill Puebla."
- whatshisface 2y ago
  Somebody needs to tell them that guilt is what has to be established beyond a reasonable doubt...
  - idle_zealot 2y ago
    Not true for jail; only probable cause or reasonable suspicion is required to lock someone up awaiting a court date. Which, of course, can easily ruin someone's life (missing work, deepening debts, the accusation itself can damage reputation). In this case the accused was awarded damages, but that's not usually how this plays out. It's a huge structural problem with our justice system that spits in the face of "innocent until proven guilty." Any attempt to change it though is met with backlash about not being sufficiently tough on crime, and letting dangerous criminals walking the streets, preventing our law enforcement from doijg their jobs, etc.
    - 1659447091 2y ago
      > In this case the accused was awarded damages, but that's not usually how this plays out. The false imprisonment & settlement had to do with the clerical error that had him report back to jail after being cleared of charges. (an ongoing problem in its own right) It is a completely separate issue from being locked up while charges were pending.
rgavuliak 2y ago
Why would you think that? Cell phone ping data is stored for a good amount of time and generated by a 3rd party that has no involvement in the case. Of course the phone can be given to someone else, but it has advantages over suspect generated data.
- kenjackson 2y ago
  The last issue you noted. There was a notorious Instagram page for criminals that noted this as one of the key things to do before committing crime — have an accomplice keep your phone.
  - sidewndr46 2y ago
    Not even that. You could just sit the phone under a park bench.

shiroiushi 2y ago

He was in jail for a month, all because some idiot thought he looked like the killer. He could have gone on trial, and much worse, if he didn't have solid evidence proving it wasn't him. Countless people have been imprisoned and executed just because of eyewitness testimony. How many black men have been killed because some white person who thinks they all look alike said on the stand "it was him!"? Eyewitness testimony shouldn't even be allowed, because it's so unreliable.

1659447091 2y ago
He was never facing death row; there was no trial for that to be a possibility. The unnecessary speculation of death row has no barring on this story. There are real cases that have made it to trial where your argument is better suited. He was in jail for a month, but not prison (there is a difference here) and nowhere near death row. I didn't see where the reason was, my guess is he could not afford bail (a separate problem altogether from this story). Prosecutors had reason to believe it was him; not only from an eye witness but because he had a record and had motive. >> "..Martha Puebla, who had recently testified at a preliminary hearing about a gang murder in which Juan’s brother Mario was charged as an accessory. (Mario was convicted and is currently serving time.) Authorities argued that Juan — who had been in the courtroom during the hearing — had killed Puebla in retaliation for cooperating with police." The NYPost article hints all the drama over this case is for a Netflix documentary: >> "As covered in the Netflix documentary “Long Shot,” out Friday, Juan’s innocence would ultimately rest on a near brush with fame — more specifically, with Larry David and “Curb Your Enthusiasm.” If not for the involvement of Curb Your Enthusiasm and a documentary, this would simply be another case that got dismissed from an alibi checking out and never making so much as a local community newsletter. Thus, the title is dramatic as it does not accurately summarize the truth of the story.