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That definitely shows why Google isn't abusing its monopoly powers, and why it shouldn't be broken up.

syvanen 2y ago
It’s so weird to observe how Alphabet doesn’t seem to even try to keep its parts separated. Amazon at least tries keeps its companies separated from each other. AWS account teams doesn’t know what Amazon teams do and vice versa. While Google Cloud account team constantly gets involved with Workspaces, Ads and Google Play related stuff. If I remember right just few years ago Google was told to stop giving cheaper prices on Google Cloud based on customers Ads and Google Play revenue.
- jsnell 2y ago
  > While Google Cloud account team constantly gets involved with Workspaces, Ads and Google Play related stuff. Not sure what you mean. Do you have a couple of concrete examples of that? > If I remember right just few years ago Google was told to stop giving cheaper prices on Google Cloud based on customers Ads and Google Play revenue. This one you've definitely just made up.
  - lobsterthief 2y ago
    I see offers (or “ads”) for Google Ads inside of the Google Cloud Platform Dashboard all the time.
  - syvanen 2y ago
    > This one you've definitely just made up. It was called "Project Hug". Based on the different sources it contained credits for all the google offerings such as Ads, Youtube and Google Cloud in exchange for keeping apps on the Google Play platform. Different repots on this: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/google-reportedly-paid-activision-riot-millions-to-prevent-them-from-opening-rival-app-stores https://www.gamesindustry.biz/google-reportedly-paid-activis... https://gizmodo.com/google-denies-its-project-hug-bribed-20-developers-1851009202 https://gizmodo.com/google-denies-its-project-hug-bribed-20-... https://www.theverge.com/23959932/epic-v-google-trial-antitrust-play-store-fortnite-recap https://www.theverge.com/23959932/epic-v-google-trial-antitr...
    - jsnell 2y ago
      That doesn't match your original description at all. > If I remember right just few years ago Google was told to stop giving cheaper prices on Google Cloud based on customers Ads and Google Play revenue. None of your links describe them giving cheaper Cloud prices based on Ads or Play revenue. I stand by the claim that you made it up.
- jfil 2y ago
  >It’s so weird to observe how Alphabet doesn’t seem to even try to keep its parts separated. "Your Honour, it's simply impossible to break up our company into separate entities. Everything is just too entangled together! Can we get a fine instead?"
pjmlp 2y ago
Everyone that is shipping Electron garbage, and has focused on Chrome as The Best Experience, is to blame.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Situation: People are getting fat from choosing to eat too much bacon "Pitiful, though with a thankfully straightforward cure. We arrest all pig farmers, meat packers and delivery drivers while inspecting all refrigerated cargo at checkpoints. We shall demolish any restaurant serving pork, blame each person who has ever eaten a slice regardless of their health, and demonize every salty and fatty food." "Yes, my stance is drastic. But once we remove the burden of choice from our citizens, they will be empowered to make new, more valuable decisions with their life. Bacon will never be a problem again." New situation: People have quit bacon and started smoking cigarettes
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    In fact, governments do step in to fix behaviours when their citizens go overboard.
- Spivak 2y ago
  I don't ship any Electron app at $dayjob so while I could afford to sit on a high horse I don't think it's warranted. Electron really isn't an issue, it doesn't really help Chrome's position as a browser in any meaningful way. It doesn't drive people to use the Chrome "chrome" which is where the money is. It's why despite Edge being built on Chrome they're pushing it hard because owning the space around the browser window is the goal.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Anything that pushes chrome helps Chrome gain market share.
- cozzyd 2y ago
  Ironically the only thing I use Chrome for is when I have to have a telecon with Microsoft Teams (which, at least last time I tried, had a nonfunctional Linux client and worked terribly in Firefox). Fortunately it's only when I have a call with NASA people that I have to use Teamms.
ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
You dropped this: /s

It’s so weird to observe how Alphabet doesn’t seem to even try to keep its parts separated. Amazon at least tries keeps its companies separated from each other. AWS account teams doesn’t know what Amazon teams do and vice versa. While Google Cloud account team constantly gets involved with Workspaces, Ads and Google Play related stuff. If I remember right just few years ago Google was told to stop giving cheaper prices on Google Cloud based on customers Ads and Google Play revenue.

jsnell 2y ago
> While Google Cloud account team constantly gets involved with Workspaces, Ads and Google Play related stuff. Not sure what you mean. Do you have a couple of concrete examples of that? > If I remember right just few years ago Google was told to stop giving cheaper prices on Google Cloud based on customers Ads and Google Play revenue. This one you've definitely just made up.
- lobsterthief 2y ago
  I see offers (or “ads”) for Google Ads inside of the Google Cloud Platform Dashboard all the time.
- syvanen 2y ago
  > This one you've definitely just made up. It was called "Project Hug". Based on the different sources it contained credits for all the google offerings such as Ads, Youtube and Google Cloud in exchange for keeping apps on the Google Play platform. Different repots on this: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/google-reportedly-paid-activision-riot-millions-to-prevent-them-from-opening-rival-app-stores https://www.gamesindustry.biz/google-reportedly-paid-activis... https://gizmodo.com/google-denies-its-project-hug-bribed-20-developers-1851009202 https://gizmodo.com/google-denies-its-project-hug-bribed-20-... https://www.theverge.com/23959932/epic-v-google-trial-antitrust-play-store-fortnite-recap https://www.theverge.com/23959932/epic-v-google-trial-antitr...
  - jsnell 2y ago
    That doesn't match your original description at all. > If I remember right just few years ago Google was told to stop giving cheaper prices on Google Cloud based on customers Ads and Google Play revenue. None of your links describe them giving cheaper Cloud prices based on Ads or Play revenue. I stand by the claim that you made it up.
jfil 2y ago
>It’s so weird to observe how Alphabet doesn’t seem to even try to keep its parts separated. "Your Honour, it's simply impossible to break up our company into separate entities. Everything is just too entangled together! Can we get a fine instead?"

pjmlp 2y ago

Everyone that is shipping Electron garbage, and has focused on Chrome as The Best Experience, is to blame.

talldayo 2y ago
Situation: People are getting fat from choosing to eat too much bacon "Pitiful, though with a thankfully straightforward cure. We arrest all pig farmers, meat packers and delivery drivers while inspecting all refrigerated cargo at checkpoints. We shall demolish any restaurant serving pork, blame each person who has ever eaten a slice regardless of their health, and demonize every salty and fatty food." "Yes, my stance is drastic. But once we remove the burden of choice from our citizens, they will be empowered to make new, more valuable decisions with their life. Bacon will never be a problem again." New situation: People have quit bacon and started smoking cigarettes
- pjmlp 2y ago
  In fact, governments do step in to fix behaviours when their citizens go overboard.
Spivak 2y ago
I don't ship any Electron app at $dayjob so while I could afford to sit on a high horse I don't think it's warranted. Electron really isn't an issue, it doesn't really help Chrome's position as a browser in any meaningful way. It doesn't drive people to use the Chrome "chrome" which is where the money is. It's why despite Edge being built on Chrome they're pushing it hard because owning the space around the browser window is the goal.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Anything that pushes chrome helps Chrome gain market share.
cozzyd 2y ago
Ironically the only thing I use Chrome for is when I have to have a telecon with Microsoft Teams (which, at least last time I tried, had a nonfunctional Linux client and worked terribly in Firefox). Fortunately it's only when I have a call with NASA people that I have to use Teamms.

ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago

You dropped this: /s