"People should be required to learn the basics of programming first. They should start with immutable data objects" We weren't talking about freshmen in colleg

"People should be required to learn the basics of programming first. They should start with immutable data objects" We weren't talking about freshmen in college. And talking about freshmen in college is not so interesting because they agreed to listen to bullshit (information of questionable utility) by joining college. It's much more interesting to talk about kids or adults because they have the choice.