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I didn't claim anything about Scandinavians. I'm just not going to take some claim about "actual data" on retribution vs. recidivism at face value.
by baggy_trough 2y ago
I didn't claim anything about Scandinavians. I'm just not going to take some claim about "actual data" on retribution vs. recidivism at face value.
- exe34 2y ago> I'm just not going to take some claim [...] at face value Again, what does that mean to you? What would it take to convince you? Presumably pointing at the Scandinavians does not convince you? So "actual data" isn't enough. What would be enough? Is it possible to change your mind? Or have you already decided the answer but know you can't defend it?
- baggy_trough 2y agoI would potentially take heed of a study that had authorship with mixed ideology, where conservative ideas were not automatically dismissed out of hand. Probably the most valuable would be debates between intelligent people on both sides that I believe are arguing in good faith. Scandinavia is different from the United States so I'm not going to automatically assume that something that works for them would work in the United States. There are also highly retributive societies, such as Singapore, that have excellent crime and safety results. Does that convince you that more retribution is needed? If not, why should I pay attention to Scandinavia but not Singapore?