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I wonder if the Dutch Strategy might work for a link aggregator: explicitly provide a well-signposted "front page", where the rabble congregates and the groupth

I wonder if the Dutch Strategy might work for a link aggregator: explicitly provide a well-signposted "front page", where the rabble congregates and the groupthink is at its Grundyest, yet implicitly expect any non-Septemberist discussions to occur well away from those few sacrificial links?

gsf_emergency 2y ago
Looks like we (or just i?) missed this discussion on the frontpage https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42502659 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42502659 (Why did you call this dutch strategy, did Dijkstra use it? Ah you mean the oudekerk? Straathoertje?)
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  As a side effect you may observe that PhD cred'd professional designers (architects) are about as rare as nonsocialist(?) "Democratic Republics" (DRC?)
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  I see, you meant the Dutch defence? Sorry zero chess knowledge here..
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Sorry, "dutch strategy" because the good burghers of Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc. realised that although sailors have deplorable* morals, the burgher's prosperity depended upon having many sailors transiently around, so the burgher's solution was to create neighbourhoods catering to vice, with the idea that it would be tolerated there, and specifically there — far from the "good" neighbourhoods where their silk-skirted patent-leather-shod daughters hung out. * we've already touched upon LaSalle(?)'s riposte to Bonaparte, right?
  - gsf_emergency 2y ago
    Haha first stab was closer then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Wallen#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Wallen#History* I hear that it's still a question of which came first, De Oude Kerk or De Wallen *CMI gets a mention, it's where LaSalle would have been practically deployed as a direct commissar of the Man? Recall also a protodiscussion of standardization of artillery in the revolutionary army vs navy?
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      excellent! "This suited everyone including the authorities." (now I'll have to check to see if health checks occurred under the ancien regime, or if Bonaparte introduced them here as well)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      direct commissar: yes, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41947667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41947667 odd, the coastal artillery seems to have been organisationally army but supplied and staffed by navy...
OutOfHere 2y ago
Those links are not sacrificial; it is everything else that is sacrificed. It is a healthy rabble, better called a bustle, that leads to the discovery of wisdom. Everything else is a non-event.
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  And in what sense are the Shakespearean monkeys an unhealthy rabble? I'm currently vibing that those popular+attentionally-limited links are necessary, but not sufficient, for wisdom uncovery.. And that a healthier route may involve actively compensating for the intrinsic asymmetry between Rao's weird & hypernormal in his "new systems of survival". (Contrast with Jane Jacobs' guardian/commercial, or Rao's latest Mandala/Machine dichotomy, when the yinyang dynamic is much more obvious) As I mentioned to GP earlier, one design bug with the current dynamic is that there is no affordance* for the hook of enlightenment (moksha) to turn into sustainable (re)production (flow, aka samsara) Imagine the Shakespearean monkeys, but with a mechanism to string together some of the shorter uncoveries.. * Adfordance, heh Lagniappe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworth%27s_limit_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworth%27s_limit_theorem

gsf_emergency 2y ago

Looks like we (or just i?) missed this discussion on the frontpage https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42502659 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42502659 (Why did you call this dutch strategy, did Dijkstra use it? Ah you mean the oudekerk? Straathoertje?)

gsf_emergency 2y ago
As a side effect you may observe that PhD cred'd professional designers (architects) are about as rare as nonsocialist(?) "Democratic Republics" (DRC?)
gsf_emergency 2y ago
I see, you meant the Dutch defence? Sorry zero chess knowledge here..
082349872349872 2y ago
Sorry, "dutch strategy" because the good burghers of Amsterdam, Rotterdam, etc. realised that although sailors have deplorable* morals, the burgher's prosperity depended upon having many sailors transiently around, so the burgher's solution was to create neighbourhoods catering to vice, with the idea that it would be tolerated there, and specifically there — far from the "good" neighbourhoods where their silk-skirted patent-leather-shod daughters hung out. * we've already touched upon LaSalle(?)'s riposte to Bonaparte, right?
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  Haha first stab was closer then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Wallen#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Wallen#History* I hear that it's still a question of which came first, De Oude Kerk or De Wallen *CMI gets a mention, it's where LaSalle would have been practically deployed as a direct commissar of the Man? Recall also a protodiscussion of standardization of artillery in the revolutionary army vs navy?
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    excellent! "This suited everyone including the authorities." (now I'll have to check to see if health checks occurred under the ancien regime, or if Bonaparte introduced them here as well)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    direct commissar: yes, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41947667 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41947667 odd, the coastal artillery seems to have been organisationally army but supplied and staffed by navy...

OutOfHere 2y ago

Those links are not sacrificial; it is everything else that is sacrificed. It is a healthy rabble, better called a bustle, that leads to the discovery of wisdom. Everything else is a non-event.

gsf_emergency 2y ago
And in what sense are the Shakespearean monkeys an unhealthy rabble? I'm currently vibing that those popular+attentionally-limited links are necessary, but not sufficient, for wisdom uncovery.. And that a healthier route may involve actively compensating for the intrinsic asymmetry between Rao's weird & hypernormal in his "new systems of survival". (Contrast with Jane Jacobs' guardian/commercial, or Rao's latest Mandala/Machine dichotomy, when the yinyang dynamic is much more obvious) As I mentioned to GP earlier, one design bug with the current dynamic is that there is no affordance* for the hook of enlightenment (moksha) to turn into sustainable (re)production (flow, aka samsara) Imagine the Shakespearean monkeys, but with a mechanism to string together some of the shorter uncoveries.. * Adfordance, heh Lagniappe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworth%27s_limit_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworth%27s_limit_theorem