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>Project Star Gate was used by the U.S. Government during the Cold War. Many of the psychic spies were at Ft. Meade, tasked with collecting intelligence, locati

>Project Star Gate was used by the U.S. Government during the Cold War. Many of the psychic spies were at Ft. Meade, tasked with collecting intelligence, locating enemy agents and determining American vulnerabilities by using “remote viewing.” Remote viewing is mentally viewing a distant location they have never visited to gather insights on a person, site, or specific information. As outrageous as it sounds, the secret program was very successful and was in use until 1995 Checks calendar..... nowhere near April! My understanding of "remote viewing" is it's actually about time travel, and recall of the future. In order for a "viewing" to work, it was found that there needed to be a report to the "viewer" at the end of a given "run", which included all the details were needed to make the mission successful.

adriancr 2y ago
This could have been a parallel construction mechanism, if they had sources too sensitive then they could feed data via this project and have it successful. Bonus points for having enemies trying to replicate the technology and observing that progress and espionage around it.
- perihelions 2y ago
  But disinformation doesn't accomplish much if the adversary disbelieves it, and ignores it—as anyone with an ounce of common sense would. If you're trying to deflect from your real information source, it helps if the fake one you invent is a plausible distraction. Hanlon's razor says the unfireable career bureaucrats overseeing this project were genuinely incompetent, and authentically stupid.
  - krapp 2y ago
    I think a lot of it was Cold War paranoia. The US government got into a lot of weird stuff like MKULTRA just because there were rumors the Soviets were working on the same thing, and no one wanted to risk the possibility, however remote, that there might be something to it. Also probably money laundering. Apparently there were a lot of connections between the USG's various psi programs and Scientology.
    - helpfulContrib 2y ago
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    - keepamovin 2y ago
      psi/RV predates the Cold War, the USA, and Western culture, and there's zero doubt it works, but that will be very hard for you to see unless you get first hand experience. My answer can get you from 0 to 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 It's a self-revealing non-dismissal to associate with something you dislike. Maybe your hick uncle is poor, or a KKK member. Should you be punished, or condemned to poverty? But facts are: the Scientology connection I think is Hal Puthoff who was temporarily a member to study that organized religion apparently. So? US frontier science has a history with occult, such as NASA's Jack Parsons. In the real world, totality of programs is much bigger than 1 dude, unless you're fixated on that aspect, then it would seem to all revolve around that hahaha! :) Another way to look at this is all of this skepticism is a very monocultural, in fact a very white, and by association with the faux-confident dismissals here a 'white-supremacist' viewpoint to take. While many cultures today embody pseudoscientific materialist dogma in a rush to embrace ‘scientific modernity’ , there’s also a widespread acceptance of psi phenomena (by many names) among Chinese, Indian, Central Asian, African and South American cultures.
  - wat10000 2y ago
    It seems that the American efforts were the victims of disinformation rather than the instigators. They were started after reports that the Soviets were already engaged in such research.
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      There was no disinfo fundamentally. There's zero doubt psi/RV works. Try it yourself, or fail to understand. My answer can help you get to 1st session: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 Most folks neg-commenting here would be perfect candidates for this: unafraid of social ostracism, internally directed. Interested in it. Competitive.
  - rurban 2y ago
    There is a book about it, called PSI. They started it because the Soviets also leaked info that their telepathy program, necessary for submarine comms, was successful. Also their aura viewer and what else. So they assembled a team of scientists and psychics and learned that the success rate resembled the random sample. Some psychics were also good magicians and scammers
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      Reini I think you would be great at this. Internally directed. Smart. Perceptive. And with your eyesight problem you likely already subconsciously enhanced psi skills to compensate - it’s often correlated, sort of like light-weight 'sort of blindsight'.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    psi/RV is 'uncommon sense' which is probably why so many of you have trouble accepting it! :) Even tho it's commonly learnable. Your thinking is all so theoretical and divorced from the reality that there is zero doubt psi/RV works. It will be hard for you but try it for yourself and you will see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 Also, regarding history your idea counterfactual as US made a program in response to USSR.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Like space race? Clever theory, but does not account for the fact it actually works. You just need first hand experience, otherwise really hard for you to see that. Try for yourself. My answer gets you to your first try: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 Also your theory fails on evidence: studies, testimony of people about psi/intuition, thousands of people's sessions on psi/RV, discrete use by law enforcement & business.
082349872349872 2y ago
so — what happened in 1995 that provided a better laundry? (or was the critical date 25 Dec 1991, and the program just had inertia? 1995 is mid-Yeltsin and mid-Clinton, so those can both be ruled out?)
- keepamovin 2y ago
  What money were they laundering? They were obtaining funds from DoD. 1995 was the date it went dark, became a WUSAP with a bigot list. The performative disowning by CIA is ritual cover.
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ustad 2y ago
Oh come on! You must expand on your theories of remote viewing. Did you mean that after a remote viewing session the subject is shown a true report of the target location? For example, a subject is told to do a remote viewing of Trumps toilet. After the session or sometime later they are shown evidence of Trumps toilet. Or even get a vip tour. Is that the gist?
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Right, most of the reported military tests are blind, and they can be because the judge is different to the viewer. Still, feedback is important. All the self sessions and RV mobile apps use feedback, because otherwise how to know? But strictly speaking you don't need feedback.
zackmorris 2y ago
There are countless repeatable psi experiments that show unusual deviations from probability, but very few that have been conducted with a large number of viewers by institutions. My favorite is the Ganzfeld experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment Unfortunately the more it's replicated, the smaller the deviation seems to become. But if there is a deviation above random, say 1%, then we could use a large number of viewers and an error correction coding scheme to transmit a binary message by the Shannon-Hartley theorem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon–Hartley_theorem#Power-limited_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon–Hartley_theorem#Power-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_correction_code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_correction_code At 1 impression per person per second, it might be on the order of 1.44*(1/100) or roughly 1 bit of data per minute per viewer. I'm sure my math is wrong. But a few dozen people might be able to achieve primitive Morse code-style communication across the globe or even space. It would be interesting to see if/how results differ when participants are shown the answers after the experiment, like with your comment about time travel. Governments probably worked all of this out decades ago if there's anything to it. But it might mean that aliens have faster than light communication. We can imagine petri dish brains or neural nets trained for remote viewing. Sort of an FTL dialup modem. As long as we're going off the deep end, I think this works through the magic of conscious awareness, that science may never be able to explain. Loosely it means that God the universe and everything fractured itself into infinite perspectives to have all subjective experiences and not have to be alone with itself anymore. So rather than being a brain in a box/singularity, source consciousness created all of this when something came from nothing. Consciousness is probably multidimensional above 4D and 5D, able within the bounds of physics to select where it exists along the multiverse, like hopping between the meshing of gears that form reality. Or Neo in The Matrix. So thought may make life energy ripples like gravity waves on the astral plane where time and distance don't matter. So feelings may be able to affect the probability of quantum wave collapse. https://hackaday.com/2021/03/04/can-plants-bend-light-to-their-self-preserving-will/ https://hackaday.com/2021/03/04/can-plants-bend-light-to-the... This has all sorts of ramifications. Time seems to have an arrow even though quantum mechanics is mostly symmetric in time. If we assume that free will doesn't exist, then people would make the same choices if we got in a time machine and watched them choose repeatedly. But if we assume that free will exists, then people would seem to choose randomly with a probability distribution, which would make time travel impossible since no sequence of events could be replayed with 100% accuracy. Similarly to how the 3 body problem can't be predicted beyond a certain timeframe. So we could have time travel or free will, but not both. This latter case seems to more closely match how the universe works with observing stuff like the double slit experiment, and our subjective experience of having free will that so-called experts tell us is only an illusion. It could also mean that synchronicity and manifestation are more apparent to someone having the experience than to the rest of us in the co-created reality. So the subject and conductor of an experiment might witness different outcomes from their vantage points in the multiverse, with echoes of themselves in the other realities, even though the total probability adds up to one. Like how you are still you now and one second before now or after now. It's unclear if subjective mental efforts can hold sway over the shared reality. That gets into metaphysics and concepts like as above, so below. Happy holidays everyone!
keepamovin 2y ago
Interesting, I think that's part of it but not required. This reminds me of the retrocausality experiments from PEAR lab. I have not seen any good theories on why psi/RV actually works. But there's zero doubt it does work.

adriancr 2y ago

This could have been a parallel construction mechanism, if they had sources too sensitive then they could feed data via this project and have it successful. Bonus points for having enemies trying to replicate the technology and observing that progress and espionage around it.

perihelions 2y ago
But disinformation doesn't accomplish much if the adversary disbelieves it, and ignores it—as anyone with an ounce of common sense would. If you're trying to deflect from your real information source, it helps if the fake one you invent is a plausible distraction. Hanlon's razor says the unfireable career bureaucrats overseeing this project were genuinely incompetent, and authentically stupid.
- krapp 2y ago
  I think a lot of it was Cold War paranoia. The US government got into a lot of weird stuff like MKULTRA just because there were rumors the Soviets were working on the same thing, and no one wanted to risk the possibility, however remote, that there might be something to it. Also probably money laundering. Apparently there were a lot of connections between the USG's various psi programs and Scientology.
  - helpfulContrib 2y ago
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  - keepamovin 2y ago
    psi/RV predates the Cold War, the USA, and Western culture, and there's zero doubt it works, but that will be very hard for you to see unless you get first hand experience. My answer can get you from 0 to 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 It's a self-revealing non-dismissal to associate with something you dislike. Maybe your hick uncle is poor, or a KKK member. Should you be punished, or condemned to poverty? But facts are: the Scientology connection I think is Hal Puthoff who was temporarily a member to study that organized religion apparently. So? US frontier science has a history with occult, such as NASA's Jack Parsons. In the real world, totality of programs is much bigger than 1 dude, unless you're fixated on that aspect, then it would seem to all revolve around that hahaha! :) Another way to look at this is all of this skepticism is a very monocultural, in fact a very white, and by association with the faux-confident dismissals here a 'white-supremacist' viewpoint to take. While many cultures today embody pseudoscientific materialist dogma in a rush to embrace ‘scientific modernity’ , there’s also a widespread acceptance of psi phenomena (by many names) among Chinese, Indian, Central Asian, African and South American cultures.
- wat10000 2y ago
  It seems that the American efforts were the victims of disinformation rather than the instigators. They were started after reports that the Soviets were already engaged in such research.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    There was no disinfo fundamentally. There's zero doubt psi/RV works. Try it yourself, or fail to understand. My answer can help you get to 1st session: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 Most folks neg-commenting here would be perfect candidates for this: unafraid of social ostracism, internally directed. Interested in it. Competitive.
- rurban 2y ago
  There is a book about it, called PSI. They started it because the Soviets also leaked info that their telepathy program, necessary for submarine comms, was successful. Also their aura viewer and what else. So they assembled a team of scientists and psychics and learned that the success rate resembled the random sample. Some psychics were also good magicians and scammers
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Reini I think you would be great at this. Internally directed. Smart. Perceptive. And with your eyesight problem you likely already subconsciously enhanced psi skills to compensate - it’s often correlated, sort of like light-weight 'sort of blindsight'.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  psi/RV is 'uncommon sense' which is probably why so many of you have trouble accepting it! :) Even tho it's commonly learnable. Your thinking is all so theoretical and divorced from the reality that there is zero doubt psi/RV works. It will be hard for you but try it for yourself and you will see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 Also, regarding history your idea counterfactual as US made a program in response to USSR.
keepamovin 2y ago
Like space race? Clever theory, but does not account for the fact it actually works. You just need first hand experience, otherwise really hard for you to see that. Try for yourself. My answer gets you to your first try: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42528680 Also your theory fails on evidence: studies, testimony of people about psi/intuition, thousands of people's sessions on psi/RV, discrete use by law enforcement & business.

082349872349872 2y ago

so — what happened in 1995 that provided a better laundry? (or was the critical date 25 Dec 1991, and the program just had inertia? 1995 is mid-Yeltsin and mid-Clinton, so those can both be ruled out?)

keepamovin 2y ago
What money were they laundering? They were obtaining funds from DoD. 1995 was the date it went dark, became a WUSAP with a bigot list. The performative disowning by CIA is ritual cover.

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ustad 2y ago

Oh come on! You must expand on your theories of remote viewing. Did you mean that after a remote viewing session the subject is shown a true report of the target location? For example, a subject is told to do a remote viewing of Trumps toilet. After the session or sometime later they are shown evidence of Trumps toilet. Or even get a vip tour. Is that the gist?

keepamovin 2y ago
Right, most of the reported military tests are blind, and they can be because the judge is different to the viewer. Still, feedback is important. All the self sessions and RV mobile apps use feedback, because otherwise how to know? But strictly speaking you don't need feedback.

zackmorris 2y ago

There are countless repeatable psi experiments that show unusual deviations from probability, but very few that have been conducted with a large number of viewers by institutions. My favorite is the Ganzfeld experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganzfeld_experiment Unfortunately the more it's replicated, the smaller the deviation seems to become. But if there is a deviation above random, say 1%, then we could use a large number of viewers and an error correction coding scheme to transmit a binary message by the Shannon-Hartley theorem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon–Hartley_theorem#Power-limited_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon–Hartley_theorem#Power-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_correction_code https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_correction_code At 1 impression per person per second, it might be on the order of 1.44*(1/100) or roughly 1 bit of data per minute per viewer. I'm sure my math is wrong. But a few dozen people might be able to achieve primitive Morse code-style communication across the globe or even space. It would be interesting to see if/how results differ when participants are shown the answers after the experiment, like with your comment about time travel. Governments probably worked all of this out decades ago if there's anything to it. But it might mean that aliens have faster than light communication. We can imagine petri dish brains or neural nets trained for remote viewing. Sort of an FTL dialup modem. As long as we're going off the deep end, I think this works through the magic of conscious awareness, that science may never be able to explain. Loosely it means that God the universe and everything fractured itself into infinite perspectives to have all subjective experiences and not have to be alone with itself anymore. So rather than being a brain in a box/singularity, source consciousness created all of this when something came from nothing. Consciousness is probably multidimensional above 4D and 5D, able within the bounds of physics to select where it exists along the multiverse, like hopping between the meshing of gears that form reality. Or Neo in The Matrix. So thought may make life energy ripples like gravity waves on the astral plane where time and distance don't matter. So feelings may be able to affect the probability of quantum wave collapse. https://hackaday.com/2021/03/04/can-plants-bend-light-to-their-self-preserving-will/ https://hackaday.com/2021/03/04/can-plants-bend-light-to-the... This has all sorts of ramifications. Time seems to have an arrow even though quantum mechanics is mostly symmetric in time. If we assume that free will doesn't exist, then people would make the same choices if we got in a time machine and watched them choose repeatedly. But if we assume that free will exists, then people would seem to choose randomly with a probability distribution, which would make time travel impossible since no sequence of events could be replayed with 100% accuracy. Similarly to how the 3 body problem can't be predicted beyond a certain timeframe. So we could have time travel or free will, but not both. This latter case seems to more closely match how the universe works with observing stuff like the double slit experiment, and our subjective experience of having free will that so-called experts tell us is only an illusion. It could also mean that synchronicity and manifestation are more apparent to someone having the experience than to the rest of us in the co-created reality. So the subject and conductor of an experiment might witness different outcomes from their vantage points in the multiverse, with echoes of themselves in the other realities, even though the total probability adds up to one. Like how you are still you now and one second before now or after now. It's unclear if subjective mental efforts can hold sway over the shared reality. That gets into metaphysics and concepts like as above, so below. Happy holidays everyone!

keepamovin 2y ago

Interesting, I think that's part of it but not required. This reminds me of the retrocausality experiments from PEAR lab. I have not seen any good theories on why psi/RV actually works. But there's zero doubt it does work.