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Good point re: using error messages. If I call a function incorrectly, the call stack will helpfully point out the file and line number of the location the erro

Good point re: using error messages. If I call a function incorrectly, the call stack will helpfully point out the file and line number of the location the error was thrown from, just a few keystrokes in vim will get you there.

troupo 2y ago
> the call stack will helpfully point out the file and line number of the location the error was thrown from, just a few keystrokes in vim will get you there. Or Cmd+Click/Ctrl+Click in an IDE
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  Uhhh that would involve a mouse, gross ; )
  - jessekv 2y ago
    Do you use a keyboard to browse the internet? On unfamiliar codebases a mouse with back and forward buttons can be quite a fast and convenient way to get the "lie of the land". I often do this inside GitHub's browser-based editor.
    - worksonmine 2y ago
      > Do you use a keyboard to browse the internet? Yes, using the vimium extension. My only problem is text inputs like this one, my muscle memory expects vim keys to work and I type a lot of jibberish that I have to clean up. I know there are extensions for that too but I can live with it.
      - Izkata 2y ago
        Tridactyl has a native extension that lets you run external programs, such as popping up a gvim window for text inputs.
  - troupo 2y ago
    "Uhhh that would involve a precision action with a tool specifically designed for precision actions" ;)
    - jazzyjackson 2y ago
      I can definitely hit my Return key with more precision than I can drag a cursor over a 40x400px target but go off :P (I use a Superior Technologies trackball because it's the only mouse I could find manufactured in the USA and it's really not very precise, it's kind of a self handicap to nudge me towards keyboard shortcuts, muscle memory gains just have a steeper curve on keyboard than mouse)
      - troupo 2y ago
        You still need several key strokes to get there ;) So it's not as precise as an actual precision pointing device
        lacksconfidence 2y ago
        Maybe this is a physical development thing? Because i can't imagine a world in which my mouse is more accurate than my keyboard. The mouse requires two-way responsive action. I have to both move the mouse and observe the movement with my eyes to update the movement as necessary. With the keyboard there is no such coordination, I simply think the thing i want to happen and press the appropriate keys.
Too 2y ago
Remarkable. With an ide you just press the hot key for next error and bam, it takes you to the exact line. (No you don’t need a mouse for this.) In fact, with lsp you wouldn’t even write the error in the first place, saving you a big context switch to the terminal, running the compiler, reading the error, reading the file name, swapping back to edit, focus on the file again.

troupo 2y ago

> the call stack will helpfully point out the file and line number of the location the error was thrown from, just a few keystrokes in vim will get you there. Or Cmd+Click/Ctrl+Click in an IDE

jazzyjackson 2y ago
Uhhh that would involve a mouse, gross ; )
- jessekv 2y ago
  Do you use a keyboard to browse the internet? On unfamiliar codebases a mouse with back and forward buttons can be quite a fast and convenient way to get the "lie of the land". I often do this inside GitHub's browser-based editor.
  - worksonmine 2y ago
    > Do you use a keyboard to browse the internet? Yes, using the vimium extension. My only problem is text inputs like this one, my muscle memory expects vim keys to work and I type a lot of jibberish that I have to clean up. I know there are extensions for that too but I can live with it.
    - Izkata 2y ago
      Tridactyl has a native extension that lets you run external programs, such as popping up a gvim window for text inputs.
- troupo 2y ago
  "Uhhh that would involve a precision action with a tool specifically designed for precision actions" ;)
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    I can definitely hit my Return key with more precision than I can drag a cursor over a 40x400px target but go off :P (I use a Superior Technologies trackball because it's the only mouse I could find manufactured in the USA and it's really not very precise, it's kind of a self handicap to nudge me towards keyboard shortcuts, muscle memory gains just have a steeper curve on keyboard than mouse)
    - troupo 2y ago
      You still need several key strokes to get there ;) So it's not as precise as an actual precision pointing device
      - lacksconfidence 2y ago
        Maybe this is a physical development thing? Because i can't imagine a world in which my mouse is more accurate than my keyboard. The mouse requires two-way responsive action. I have to both move the mouse and observe the movement with my eyes to update the movement as necessary. With the keyboard there is no such coordination, I simply think the thing i want to happen and press the appropriate keys.

Too 2y ago

Remarkable. With an ide you just press the hot key for next error and bam, it takes you to the exact line. (No you don’t need a mouse for this.) In fact, with lsp you wouldn’t even write the error in the first place, saving you a big context switch to the terminal, running the compiler, reading the error, reading the file name, swapping back to edit, focus on the file again.