> The reasoning by person 2 doesn't matter as much if 1 is making an ubsubstantiated claim to begin with. But it doesn't make person 2's argument valid. Every

> The reasoning by person 2 doesn't matter as much if 1 is making an ubsubstantiated claim to begin with. But it doesn't make person 2's argument valid. Everyone here is looking at the argument by person 1 and saying 'I don't agree with that, so person 2 is right!'. That isn't how it works... person 2 has to either shut up and let person 1 be wrong in a way that is wrong, but not for the reasons they think, or they need to examine their assumptions and come up with a different reason. No one is helped by turning critical thinking into team sports where the only thing that matters is that your side wins.