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> doing the absolute minimum to make the thing work is the way they want to go It isn't the way they are going, no. Hyundais and Kias in the USA will have nati

> doing the absolute minimum to make the thing work is the way they want to go It isn't the way they are going, no. Hyundais and Kias in the USA will have native NACS ports in all 2025 models onwards. Starting with Ioniq 5 shipping in Q1 2025, I believe. Adapters are the short-term "stopgap". Sources: "Hyundai Is About To Have More EVs With NACS Plugs Than Tesla ... In the United States, all-new or refreshed Hyundai EVs will come exclusively with a NACS port, beginning in Q4 2024." https://insideevs.com/news/742221/hyundai-kia-genesis-nacs-charging/ https://insideevs.com/news/742221/hyundai-kia-genesis-nacs-c... "Hyundai’s first EV with native Tesla Supercharging is the new Ioniq 5" https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/3/24235272/hyundai-2025-ioniq-5-tesla-nacs-ev-charging-supercharger https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/3/24235272/hyundai-2025-ioni...

dylan604 2y ago
So they are not selling the rest of the 2024 inventory anywhere? That's the incentive on getting people to buy the '24 model. They need all the help they can get to clear the '24s out so more '25s can take their place on the lot. buyer: "I like the '24, but the charging port is inconvenient" seller: "Fret not, we offer this handy dandy adapter. Please please please buy this car"
- srockets 2y ago
  No, this isn't how this all works. No one cares about the plug itself. The thing people care about is access to charging networks. Tesla recently decided the moat of having their network available only to their own cars isn't worth it anymore. Some of it to get federal money that can only get on stations that serve multiple vehicle brands, and not just their own. They could've do the costly things, and made their charging stations with multiple plugs, like other networks do. Or they could've used the same plug as other cars, as they do in Europe (because there the regulator was ahead of them, and forced them to actually be compatible with everyone else). Instead, Tesla did the ingenious thing, and got other manufacturers to bear the cost of making their vehicles compatible with Tesla's chargers.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  > So they are not selling the rest of the 2024 inventory anywhere? You know that they are selling, or you can confirm that online, so why even ask? What is the actual nature of your complaint? I don't see this case as fundamentally different from any "next years model is coming soon" sales scenario. Except that, you know, this time there is an adapter to give to the people who bought 6 months ago. Salesmen have well-worn playbooks to deal with it. It's in the sales interest to keep the changeover window short. Manufacturing would disagree. Nevertheless, the window appears to be closing soon. The comment about selling "access to charging networks" is exactly right. And also making use of them the exception via at-home overnight charging.

dylan604 2y ago

So they are not selling the rest of the 2024 inventory anywhere? That's the incentive on getting people to buy the '24 model. They need all the help they can get to clear the '24s out so more '25s can take their place on the lot. buyer: "I like the '24, but the charging port is inconvenient" seller: "Fret not, we offer this handy dandy adapter. Please please please buy this car"

srockets 2y ago
No, this isn't how this all works. No one cares about the plug itself. The thing people care about is access to charging networks. Tesla recently decided the moat of having their network available only to their own cars isn't worth it anymore. Some of it to get federal money that can only get on stations that serve multiple vehicle brands, and not just their own. They could've do the costly things, and made their charging stations with multiple plugs, like other networks do. Or they could've used the same plug as other cars, as they do in Europe (because there the regulator was ahead of them, and forced them to actually be compatible with everyone else). Instead, Tesla did the ingenious thing, and got other manufacturers to bear the cost of making their vehicles compatible with Tesla's chargers.
SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
> So they are not selling the rest of the 2024 inventory anywhere? You know that they are selling, or you can confirm that online, so why even ask? What is the actual nature of your complaint? I don't see this case as fundamentally different from any "next years model is coming soon" sales scenario. Except that, you know, this time there is an adapter to give to the people who bought 6 months ago. Salesmen have well-worn playbooks to deal with it. It's in the sales interest to keep the changeover window short. Manufacturing would disagree. Nevertheless, the window appears to be closing soon. The comment about selling "access to charging networks" is exactly right. And also making use of them the exception via at-home overnight charging.