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> You're also in a minority [citation needed]

by y33t 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
"A majority of voters (68%) think the actions of the killer of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, are unacceptable. Seventeen percent find the actions acceptable, while 16% are unsure" [1]. Also [2]. [1] https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-poll-young-voters-diverge-from-majority-on-crypto-tiktok-and-ceo-assassination/ https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-pol... [2] https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_fWe8hY3.pdf#page12 https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor... page 12
- Larrikin 2y ago
  That seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it. Its also excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it About a quarter of under-30 men and a fifth of under-30 women. For comparison, about 20% of Americans "think holding neo-Nazi views is" acceptable [1]. > excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away Where do you see the 2% of Americans [2] who have had their voting rights taken away being excluded by either poll? (Not challenging. That's just methodologically impressive.) Either way, none of what you're citing is material to an 80/20 margin. I have friends in that 17%. But I also know people who thought Kari Lake was a shoe in, "defund the police" would work or that every guy is an incel. Echo chambers are powerful, especially online, where they can convince a quarter of a single demographic that they're in the majority on celebrating a dude capping a stranger in broad daylight. [1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-nazi-support-american-public-charlottesville-white-supremacists-kkk-far-right-poll-a7907091.html https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-n... [2] https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-estimates-of-people-denied-voting-rights/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-es...
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    - throwawaygmbno 2y ago
      You're selectively moving groups around with your statistics to try and use simple numbers to make it seem like you're always right. 20% of every single person in the US being sort of into Nazis has very little to do with the vast majority of people under 40 (military age) finding it ok with Brian getting shot. The first group includes people who are getting government funded healthcare on top of not having spent most of their lives dealing with insurance companies run by MBAs Edit: Just noticed statistical manipulation is your job and you're maybe in a similar tax bracket >> Trade private equity. Former aerospace investment banker, and before that, algorithmic equity derivatives trader. FinTech + Space + B2C angel & seed investor. Jackson Hole local; frequently in New York and the Bay Area.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > 20% of every single person in the US being sort of into Nazis has very little to do with I’m saying 20% of Americans can be found who believe almost anything. 20% of Americans supporting something is basically background. > selectively moving groups around with your statistics to try and use simple numbers to make it seem like you're always right I’m slicing the data to present a number bigger than 17%. I’m trying to find a group in which a majority support Mangione who aren’t on the far fringes of society. If you’re upset about the slicing and dicing you’re confirming my point. > the vast majority of people under 40 (military age) finding it ok with Brian getting shot Where do you see this? 18 to 29 is the most favourable bloc for Mangione, and there favourability is 39%. Not a majority let alone a vast majority. And that’s being generous by combining in somewhat favourable.
        ben_w 2y ago
        > I’m saying 20% of Americans can be found who believe almost anything. 20% of Americans supporting something is basically background. The Lizardman's Constant is lower than 20%, more like 4% for the survey result that gave rise to the name — and also, despite the name, not constant: https://gwern.net/note/lizardman https://gwern.net/note/lizardman Sadly, this also means that your chosen example, instead of illustrating your claim, actually has something to say about the state of the American Overton Window when it was taken.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    Why do people keep quoting "military age" here? There's no a priori reason why the next CEO shooter might not be underage (common in school shooters) or retired (with time, pain, and guns on their hands)?

> You're also in a minority [citation needed]

by y33t 2y ago

> You're also in a minority [citation needed]

"A majority of voters (68%) think the actions of the killer of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, are unacceptable. Seventeen percent find the actions acceptable, while 16% are unsure" [1]. Also [2]. [1] https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-poll-young-voters-diverge-from-majority-on-crypto-tiktok-and-ceo-assassination/ https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-pol... [2] https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_fWe8hY3.pdf#page12 https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor... page 12

Larrikin 2y ago
That seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it. Its also excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it About a quarter of under-30 men and a fifth of under-30 women. For comparison, about 20% of Americans "think holding neo-Nazi views is" acceptable [1]. > excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away Where do you see the 2% of Americans [2] who have had their voting rights taken away being excluded by either poll? (Not challenging. That's just methodologically impressive.) Either way, none of what you're citing is material to an 80/20 margin. I have friends in that 17%. But I also know people who thought Kari Lake was a shoe in, "defund the police" would work or that every guy is an incel. Echo chambers are powerful, especially online, where they can convince a quarter of a single demographic that they're in the majority on celebrating a dude capping a stranger in broad daylight. [1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-nazi-support-american-public-charlottesville-white-supremacists-kkk-far-right-poll-a7907091.html https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-n... [2] https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-estimates-of-people-denied-voting-rights/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-es...
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  - throwawaygmbno 2y ago
    You're selectively moving groups around with your statistics to try and use simple numbers to make it seem like you're always right. 20% of every single person in the US being sort of into Nazis has very little to do with the vast majority of people under 40 (military age) finding it ok with Brian getting shot. The first group includes people who are getting government funded healthcare on top of not having spent most of their lives dealing with insurance companies run by MBAs Edit: Just noticed statistical manipulation is your job and you're maybe in a similar tax bracket >> Trade private equity. Former aerospace investment banker, and before that, algorithmic equity derivatives trader. FinTech + Space + B2C angel & seed investor. Jackson Hole local; frequently in New York and the Bay Area.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > 20% of every single person in the US being sort of into Nazis has very little to do with I’m saying 20% of Americans can be found who believe almost anything. 20% of Americans supporting something is basically background. > selectively moving groups around with your statistics to try and use simple numbers to make it seem like you're always right I’m slicing the data to present a number bigger than 17%. I’m trying to find a group in which a majority support Mangione who aren’t on the far fringes of society. If you’re upset about the slicing and dicing you’re confirming my point. > the vast majority of people under 40 (military age) finding it ok with Brian getting shot Where do you see this? 18 to 29 is the most favourable bloc for Mangione, and there favourability is 39%. Not a majority let alone a vast majority. And that’s being generous by combining in somewhat favourable.
      - ben_w 2y ago
        > I’m saying 20% of Americans can be found who believe almost anything. 20% of Americans supporting something is basically background. The Lizardman's Constant is lower than 20%, more like 4% for the survey result that gave rise to the name — and also, despite the name, not constant: https://gwern.net/note/lizardman https://gwern.net/note/lizardman Sadly, this also means that your chosen example, instead of illustrating your claim, actually has something to say about the state of the American Overton Window when it was taken.
- pjc50 2y ago
  Why do people keep quoting "military age" here? There's no a priori reason why the next CEO shooter might not be underage (common in school shooters) or retired (with time, pain, and guns on their hands)?