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I know someone working for UHC legal.. they're in a vendetta mode over there from what I've been told.

EE84M3i 2y ago
You mean a vendetta against the murder suspect, or an actor impersonating UHC sending DMCAs?
rblatz 2y ago
Are they concerned that after their CEO was gunned down in broad daylight over his supposed unethical behavior, and the killer is being celebrated as a folk hero. That by doubling down and doing unethical things they may be putting targets on their own back? I know if I were at UHC I’d be looking to leave before I ended up on a hit list.
- Aurornis 2y ago
  > I know if I were at UHC I’d be looking to leave before I ended up on a hit list. UnitedHealth has half a million employees. If you think individual employees are at risk of getting on a hit list then you don’t really understand the scale of the company. I’m constantly amazed by how some people adopt the uninformed narratives that sprang up in the wake of this murder. I’ve asked multiple people to guess how much cheaper our healthcare would get if we forced insurance company profits to zero and redistributed their C-suite’s compensation to their covered patients. The answer is always off by orders of magnitude. It’s all very strange. The narratives around this murder and, by extension, the health care system are being invented by people informed about both yet widely accepted as fact. Even details about the scale of UnitedHealth seem lost on people. This is a very large publicly traded company with scores of employees.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > asked multiple people to guess how much cheaper our healthcare would get if we forced insurance company profits to zero and redistributed their C-suite’s compensation to their covered patients. The answer is always off by orders of magnitude The media is conflating the far-right and -left wing fringes who are celbrating Mangione as a person and his literal crime with those holding him as a symbol for their frustrations with our healthcare system. If you're celebrating the person and the crime, you need to speak to a professional. (You're also in a minority. No, your subreddit isn't the world.) If you're upset about the system, it's reasonable to not care if you're being fucked by Bob or Alice.
    - y33t 2y ago
      > You're also in a minority [citation needed]
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        "A majority of voters (68%) think the actions of the killer of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, are unacceptable. Seventeen percent find the actions acceptable, while 16% are unsure" [1]. Also [2]. [1] https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-poll-young-voters-diverge-from-majority-on-crypto-tiktok-and-ceo-assassination/ https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-pol... [2] https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_fWe8hY3.pdf#page12 https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor... page 12
        Larrikin 2y ago
        That seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it. Its also excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it About a quarter of under-30 men and a fifth of under-30 women. For comparison, about 20% of Americans "think holding neo-Nazi views is" acceptable [1]. > excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away Where do you see the 2% of Americans [2] who have had their voting rights taken away being excluded by either poll? (Not challenging. That's just methodologically impressive.) Either way, none of what you're citing is material to an 80/20 margin. I have friends in that 17%. But I also know people who thought Kari Lake was a shoe in, "defund the police" would work or that every guy is an incel. Echo chambers are powerful, especially online, where they can convince a quarter of a single demographic that they're in the majority on celebrating a dude capping a stranger in broad daylight. [1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-nazi-support-american-public-charlottesville-white-supremacists-kkk-far-right-poll-a7907091.html https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-n... [2] https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-estimates-of-people-denied-voting-rights/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-es...

You mean a vendetta against the murder suspect, or an actor impersonating UHC sending DMCAs?

Are they concerned that after their CEO was gunned down in broad daylight over his supposed unethical behavior, and the killer is being celebrated as a folk hero. That by doubling down and doing unethical things they may be putting targets on their own back? I know if I were at UHC I’d be looking to leave before I ended up on a hit list.

Aurornis 2y ago
> I know if I were at UHC I’d be looking to leave before I ended up on a hit list. UnitedHealth has half a million employees. If you think individual employees are at risk of getting on a hit list then you don’t really understand the scale of the company. I’m constantly amazed by how some people adopt the uninformed narratives that sprang up in the wake of this murder. I’ve asked multiple people to guess how much cheaper our healthcare would get if we forced insurance company profits to zero and redistributed their C-suite’s compensation to their covered patients. The answer is always off by orders of magnitude. It’s all very strange. The narratives around this murder and, by extension, the health care system are being invented by people informed about both yet widely accepted as fact. Even details about the scale of UnitedHealth seem lost on people. This is a very large publicly traded company with scores of employees.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > asked multiple people to guess how much cheaper our healthcare would get if we forced insurance company profits to zero and redistributed their C-suite’s compensation to their covered patients. The answer is always off by orders of magnitude The media is conflating the far-right and -left wing fringes who are celbrating Mangione as a person and his literal crime with those holding him as a symbol for their frustrations with our healthcare system. If you're celebrating the person and the crime, you need to speak to a professional. (You're also in a minority. No, your subreddit isn't the world.) If you're upset about the system, it's reasonable to not care if you're being fucked by Bob or Alice.
  - y33t 2y ago
    > You're also in a minority [citation needed]
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      "A majority of voters (68%) think the actions of the killer of the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, are unacceptable. Seventeen percent find the actions acceptable, while 16% are unsure" [1]. Also [2]. [1] https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-poll-young-voters-diverge-from-majority-on-crypto-tiktok-and-ceo-assassination/ https://emersoncollegepolling.com/december-2024-national-pol... [2] https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_fWe8hY3.pdf#page12 https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabRepor... page 12
      - Larrikin 2y ago
        That seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it. Its also excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it About a quarter of under-30 men and a fifth of under-30 women. For comparison, about 20% of Americans "think holding neo-Nazi views is" acceptable [1]. > excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away Where do you see the 2% of Americans [2] who have had their voting rights taken away being excluded by either poll? (Not challenging. That's just methodologically impressive.) Either way, none of what you're citing is material to an 80/20 margin. I have friends in that 17%. But I also know people who thought Kari Lake was a shoe in, "defund the police" would work or that every guy is an incel. Echo chambers are powerful, especially online, where they can convince a quarter of a single demographic that they're in the majority on celebrating a dude capping a stranger in broad daylight. [1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-nazi-support-american-public-charlottesville-white-supremacists-kkk-far-right-poll-a7907091.html https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-n... [2] https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-estimates-of-people-denied-voting-rights/ https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-es...