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Sorry, meant 5 decades of losses, not 5 wars. You’re right we won one! And screwed up that area so badly we got ISIS. You wrote a big long post to say I lied a

Sorry, meant 5 decades of losses, not 5 wars. You’re right we won one! And screwed up that area so badly we got ISIS. You wrote a big long post to say I lied as bad as the warmongers and liars, and totally left out my other points. Essentially built an entire argument on a keyboard slip and called me a liar on the same magnitude to distract - without mentioning anything about the legalized torture, secret laws, and secret courts! Cool trick, but it probably won’t work here - we’ve read the manual about subverting and redirecting online discourse.

aguaviva 2y ago
It wasn't a trick, and I'm not subverting or redirecting anything. Meanwhile, yours wasn't merely a keyboard slip. The point, simply, is that your encapsulation of the last 5 decades was very myopic. Don't mean to condescend, but it does seem that in terms of basic global history you're still playing catch-up, as it were. The concern (as I attempted to articulate) wasn't so much that you were "lying", but that (going by your statements) you do seem to have a rather blasé attitude about the truth, and/or to have simply missed out on a lot of the major event chronology of the last 50 years. Which suggests that you're much more interested in your moral narratives than in what actually happened, or why. The irony here is that we probably agree about 70 percent in terms of which side is "bad" and who is to "blame". It's just that that other 30 percent is, unfortunately, complex and intermixed. If it helps, I hereby mention "legalized torture, secret laws, and secret courts". In turn, if you like, you can "mention" the ethnic cleansings in Srebrenica, Prijedor, Foča, Zvornik, Doboj Bosanski Šamac and Bijeljina -- and what, precisely, you think the morally compromised Western powers should have done about this general state of affairs at the time. That is, if these events ping your awareness at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_in_the_Bosnian_War#/media/File:Branjevo_Military_Farm_Grave_Exhumation.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_in_the_Bosnia...

aguaviva 2y ago

It wasn't a trick, and I'm not subverting or redirecting anything. Meanwhile, yours wasn't merely a keyboard slip. The point, simply, is that your encapsulation of the last 5 decades was very myopic. Don't mean to condescend, but it does seem that in terms of basic global history you're still playing catch-up, as it were. The concern (as I attempted to articulate) wasn't so much that you were "lying", but that (going by your statements) you do seem to have a rather blasé attitude about the truth, and/or to have simply missed out on a lot of the major event chronology of the last 50 years. Which suggests that you're much more interested in your moral narratives than in what actually happened, or why. The irony here is that we probably agree about 70 percent in terms of which side is "bad" and who is to "blame". It's just that that other 30 percent is, unfortunately, complex and intermixed. If it helps, I hereby mention "legalized torture, secret laws, and secret courts". In turn, if you like, you can "mention" the ethnic cleansings in Srebrenica, Prijedor, Foča, Zvornik, Doboj Bosanski Šamac and Bijeljina -- and what, precisely, you think the morally compromised Western powers should have done about this general state of affairs at the time. That is, if these events ping your awareness at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_in_the_Bosnian_War#/media/File:Branjevo_Military_Farm_Grave_Exhumation.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_in_the_Bosnia...