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Congress claims this is what we the people want.

by detourdog 2y ago

hsuduebc2 2y ago
I believe that some people really needs that. Ironically the ones which need it most.
- hsuduebc2 2y ago
  *really believe not need
maeil 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
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  - maeil 2y ago
    Throwing around terms like "murderer" and "terrorism" is a pure appeal to emotion. It's just as easy to call the CEO a "murderer" and say UHC committed "terrorism". Not going to make that argument because it's pointless semantics. The idea that it's only a tiny, negligible fringe of people who are positive towards his deeds is of course also not true. The days where websites like Reddit are purely a playground for nerds with fringe belief are long, long past us. On many mainstream social networks, the dominating view has been one of support.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Throwing around terms like "murderer" and "terrorism" is a pure appeal to emotion Not really. It’s intentional killing without colour of law: murder. It’s killing to send a political message: potentially terrorism. He’s been charged with both, so this is not meme-level everything I don’t like is violence. > days where websites like Reddit are purely a playground for nerds with fringe belief are long, long past us Yes, someone who thinks their internet echo chamber is right this time, despite its track record, is on the fringes.
      - maeil 2y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." > Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Have a nice day.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Citing the charges and pointing out that Reddit and Twitter aren’t representative of the general population isn’t snarky, it’s substantiation. The track record of people extrapolating from Twitter or Reddit to America is incredibly poor. One needs extraordinary evidence to claim this time is different.
        newdee 2y ago
        I don’t think the guidelines need to be carted out here. Parent was making their argument reasonably, maybe you just dislike what they’re saying?
      - lurking_swe 2y ago
        i’m curious, would a CEO _purposely_ leading an effort to automate and deny claims at 3x industry average using AI, which affects peoples lives and in some cases kills them, not be considered murder? (kills them because they may not get treatment they medically need until it’s too late - while they fight with customer support specialists for weeks or months). Ethically it absolutely is murder. The intent is to fuck everyday people like you and me to make the company some extra bucks. But that’s just the thing with capitalism. As soon as murder is spread out over thousands or millions of customers, and part of a system, suddenly it’s an “issue with the system” and nobody can be realistically held accountable. Funny how our society works. Apparently the person spearheading efforts like that are completely shielded from the law. Make it make sense… For what it’s worth i agree that Luigi is a murderer and committed terrosism. I ALSO think the ceo committed indirect murder. He absolutely knew what he was doing to thousands of americans each year.
- mindslight 2y ago
  The corporate ruling class has made clear that Luigi is what they want, by stifling any other form of accountability or reform. The people have only made clear that they're desperate for any shred of accountability, despite the abhorrence of murder.
int_19h 2y ago
Congress has a 17% approval rating.
- GiorgioG 2y ago
  But they’re still employed, still getting paid, and still getting bribed.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    Sure, but I don't think they are meaningfully speaking for "the people" in any sense (even assuming that we even have such a singular entity in US, which I personally don't think is true anymore).

Congress claims this is what we the people want.

hsuduebc2 2y ago

I believe that some people really needs that. Ironically the ones which need it most.

hsuduebc2 2y ago
*really believe not need

maeil 2y ago

[flagged]

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
[flagged]
- maeil 2y ago
  Throwing around terms like "murderer" and "terrorism" is a pure appeal to emotion. It's just as easy to call the CEO a "murderer" and say UHC committed "terrorism". Not going to make that argument because it's pointless semantics. The idea that it's only a tiny, negligible fringe of people who are positive towards his deeds is of course also not true. The days where websites like Reddit are purely a playground for nerds with fringe belief are long, long past us. On many mainstream social networks, the dominating view has been one of support.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Throwing around terms like "murderer" and "terrorism" is a pure appeal to emotion Not really. It’s intentional killing without colour of law: murder. It’s killing to send a political message: potentially terrorism. He’s been charged with both, so this is not meme-level everything I don’t like is violence. > days where websites like Reddit are purely a playground for nerds with fringe belief are long, long past us Yes, someone who thinks their internet echo chamber is right this time, despite its track record, is on the fringes.
    - maeil 2y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." > Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. > Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. Have a nice day.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Citing the charges and pointing out that Reddit and Twitter aren’t representative of the general population isn’t snarky, it’s substantiation. The track record of people extrapolating from Twitter or Reddit to America is incredibly poor. One needs extraordinary evidence to claim this time is different.
      - newdee 2y ago
        I don’t think the guidelines need to be carted out here. Parent was making their argument reasonably, maybe you just dislike what they’re saying?
    - lurking_swe 2y ago
      i’m curious, would a CEO _purposely_ leading an effort to automate and deny claims at 3x industry average using AI, which affects peoples lives and in some cases kills them, not be considered murder? (kills them because they may not get treatment they medically need until it’s too late - while they fight with customer support specialists for weeks or months). Ethically it absolutely is murder. The intent is to fuck everyday people like you and me to make the company some extra bucks. But that’s just the thing with capitalism. As soon as murder is spread out over thousands or millions of customers, and part of a system, suddenly it’s an “issue with the system” and nobody can be realistically held accountable. Funny how our society works. Apparently the person spearheading efforts like that are completely shielded from the law. Make it make sense… For what it’s worth i agree that Luigi is a murderer and committed terrosism. I ALSO think the ceo committed indirect murder. He absolutely knew what he was doing to thousands of americans each year.
mindslight 2y ago
The corporate ruling class has made clear that Luigi is what they want, by stifling any other form of accountability or reform. The people have only made clear that they're desperate for any shred of accountability, despite the abhorrence of murder.

int_19h 2y ago

Congress has a 17% approval rating.

GiorgioG 2y ago
But they’re still employed, still getting paid, and still getting bribed.
- int_19h 2y ago
  Sure, but I don't think they are meaningfully speaking for "the people" in any sense (even assuming that we even have such a singular entity in US, which I personally don't think is true anymore).