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I felt this way for the first 30 years of my life. Then I received treatment for depression (psychoanalysis) and finally tasted joy for the first time in my ent

I felt this way for the first 30 years of my life. Then I received treatment for depression (psychoanalysis) and finally tasted joy for the first time in my entire life. Now I love life. YMMV EDIT: If you’re interested what actually happened is that I was missing the prerequisite early childhood experience that enables one to feel secure in reality. If you check, all the people who have this feeling of philosophical/ontological pessimism have a missing or damaged relationship with the mother in the first year or so. For them, not even Buddhism can help, since even the abstract idea of anything good, even if it requires transcendence, is a joke

Der_Einzige 2y ago
But psychoanalysis is literally psudoscientific nonsense. You got spooked.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  Wow, thanks for your valuable contribution to the conversation!
- bowsamic 2y ago
  No it isn’t, it’s empirically justified, look it up. Hence why the state insurance here in Germany is willing to pay for me to go three times a week. It works
- motorest 2y ago
  > But psychoanalysis is literally psudoscientific nonsense. You got spooked. OP got spooked to stop suffering and love life instead? Is that your cautionary tale?
  - lazide 2y ago
    ‘Warning! You may end up irrationally happy and fulfilled!’
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- bowsamic 2y ago
  I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I don't look up to Freud and psychoanalysis doesn't work for everyone! I don't even necessarily recommend it. It just worked for me and I realised that in my case the depression was a confused outlook conditioned by a certain situation. My point really is that you can feel one way for your entire life and then suddenly feel a different way. I'm not suggesting psychoanalysis specifically. Perhaps for others, CBT or religion or just a change in life circumstances will be enough. The fact that these philosophies are dependent on the life situation to me is a reason to be a little sceptical of their universality. In my personal experience, in those 30 years of my life, I thought everyone thought the way I did, that reality was painful and a chore and dark and dim. Psychoanalysis helped me realise that other people actually were happy to be alive, and understand why I have not been my entire life. YMMV = not everyone hates life
  - keybored 2y ago
    > I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I’m not sure why people act coy when a straightforward mirroring of their own comment is presented. “What could this mean?” Maybe the hope is that the other person will bore the audience by explaining the joke? > I don't look up to Freud and psychoanalysis doesn't work for everyone! I don't even necessarily recommend it. Talking about your infant parental relationship as the be-all-end-all looks indistinguishable from that. > > If you check, all the people who have this feeling of philosophical/ontological pessimism have a missing or damaged relationship with the mother in the first year or so. . > I'm not suggesting psychoanalysis specifically. Perhaps for others, CBT or religion or just a change in life circumstances will be enough. Except for people who have “this feeling of philosophical/ontological pessimism”. > > For them, not even Buddhism can help, since even the abstract idea of anything good, even if it requires transcendence, is a joke Which must paint everyone who defends “suffering” in the Vedic sense. Since that was what you were replying to. (Saying that reality is suffering on-the-whole is not the same as “I’m depressed [, and please give me anecdotes about how you overcame it]”.) > > The fact that these philosophies are dependent on the life situation to me is a reason to be a little sceptical of their universality. In my personal experience, in those 30 years of my life, I thought everyone thought the way I did, that reality was painful and a chore and dark and dim. Psychoanalysis helped me realise that other people actually were happy to be alive, and understand why I have not been my entire life. I don’t know how broad your brush is. But believing in the originally Vedic (Schopenhauer was inspired by Eastern religions, maybe Buddhism in particular) concept of “suffering” is not such a fragile intellectual framework that it collapses once you heal from the trauma when your mother scolded you while potty training at a crucial point in your Anal Stage of development. > YMMV = not everyone hates life Besides any point whatever.

Der_Einzige 2y ago

But psychoanalysis is literally psudoscientific nonsense. You got spooked.

BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
Wow, thanks for your valuable contribution to the conversation!
bowsamic 2y ago
No it isn’t, it’s empirically justified, look it up. Hence why the state insurance here in Germany is willing to pay for me to go three times a week. It works
motorest 2y ago
> But psychoanalysis is literally psudoscientific nonsense. You got spooked. OP got spooked to stop suffering and love life instead? Is that your cautionary tale?
- lazide 2y ago
  ‘Warning! You may end up irrationally happy and fulfilled!’

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bowsamic 2y ago
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I don't look up to Freud and psychoanalysis doesn't work for everyone! I don't even necessarily recommend it. It just worked for me and I realised that in my case the depression was a confused outlook conditioned by a certain situation. My point really is that you can feel one way for your entire life and then suddenly feel a different way. I'm not suggesting psychoanalysis specifically. Perhaps for others, CBT or religion or just a change in life circumstances will be enough. The fact that these philosophies are dependent on the life situation to me is a reason to be a little sceptical of their universality. In my personal experience, in those 30 years of my life, I thought everyone thought the way I did, that reality was painful and a chore and dark and dim. Psychoanalysis helped me realise that other people actually were happy to be alive, and understand why I have not been my entire life. YMMV = not everyone hates life
- keybored 2y ago
  > I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I’m not sure why people act coy when a straightforward mirroring of their own comment is presented. “What could this mean?” Maybe the hope is that the other person will bore the audience by explaining the joke? > I don't look up to Freud and psychoanalysis doesn't work for everyone! I don't even necessarily recommend it. Talking about your infant parental relationship as the be-all-end-all looks indistinguishable from that. > > If you check, all the people who have this feeling of philosophical/ontological pessimism have a missing or damaged relationship with the mother in the first year or so. . > I'm not suggesting psychoanalysis specifically. Perhaps for others, CBT or religion or just a change in life circumstances will be enough. Except for people who have “this feeling of philosophical/ontological pessimism”. > > For them, not even Buddhism can help, since even the abstract idea of anything good, even if it requires transcendence, is a joke Which must paint everyone who defends “suffering” in the Vedic sense. Since that was what you were replying to. (Saying that reality is suffering on-the-whole is not the same as “I’m depressed [, and please give me anecdotes about how you overcame it]”.) > > The fact that these philosophies are dependent on the life situation to me is a reason to be a little sceptical of their universality. In my personal experience, in those 30 years of my life, I thought everyone thought the way I did, that reality was painful and a chore and dark and dim. Psychoanalysis helped me realise that other people actually were happy to be alive, and understand why I have not been my entire life. I don’t know how broad your brush is. But believing in the originally Vedic (Schopenhauer was inspired by Eastern religions, maybe Buddhism in particular) concept of “suffering” is not such a fragile intellectual framework that it collapses once you heal from the trauma when your mother scolded you while potty training at a crucial point in your Anal Stage of development. > YMMV = not everyone hates life Besides any point whatever.