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Capitalism is not and never was the problem, the lack of regulation around it is. Compare how bad things are in the US for many people, directly due to a lack

Capitalism is not and never was the problem, the lack of regulation around it is. Compare how bad things are in the US for many people, directly due to a lack of regulation in many instances. Healthcare pre-Obamacare is a great example. Compare that things are generally better in countries with more regulation like NZ and Norway. Consider then that even more regulation is possible to improve things.

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hollandheese 2y ago
>Capitalism is not and never was the problem, the lack of regulation around it is. Yeah, sure. You keep believing that. >Compare how bad things are in the US for many people, directly due to a lack of regulation in many instances. Healthcare pre-Obamacare is a great example. The regulation has done so well to reign in healthcare corporations that people are shooting healthcare ceos in cold blood on the streets and people are cheering about it.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > Yeah, sure. You keep believing that. It's not a question of belief, the evidence is clear as day. > The regulation has done so well to reign in healthcare corporations that people are shooting healthcare ceos in cold blood on the streets and people are cheering about it. The GOP is extremely resistant to any regulation and went out of there way to cripple Obamacare as much as they could. If your takeaway from my previous comment was that regulation in the US is working well, I invite you to re-read it.
  - hollandheese 2y ago
    >It's not a question of belief, the evidence is clear as day. Yeah, sure. The economic system that is boiling the planet and will make it unlivable is the best thing ever!
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      No one claimed that. Can you do better than argue against a strawman?
      - hollandheese 2y ago
        You’re the one arguing that capitalism isn’t the problem when it pretty clearly is. You can’t patch a fundamentally failed system.
        ruthmarx 2y ago
        I said a lack of regulation around businesses was the problem, and you misrepresented my point, claiming I said capitalism was the best thing ever. Hence the strawman. The claim that capitalism is fundamentally failed is one that needs support, given that it is capitalist countries that have the highest quality of life and are highest on the happiness indices.
        hollandheese 2y ago
        Please learn about the failures of regulation during the 20th century and how most regulations in the US got clawed away through time. Please learn about regulatory capture and also learn about the failures of NHS and the Canadian health care systems due to the pressures put on them by capitalist system.
        ruthmarx 2y ago
        Specific failures in the past are failures in the specific ways capitalism was implemented. You wouldn't use past failed examples of socialism to argue socialism is fundamentally flawed, would you? I understand you disagree with me and may be dismissive of my position, but let's try to assume good faith and keep this civil, please? We may end up finding we agree more than disagree.
- FrontierProject 2y ago
  If there was a list of top 10 internet replies where the commenter got the point of the guy he was replying to basically exactly backwards, this comment would have to be in the top 5. What a spectacular failure of reading comprehension.
  - hollandheese 2y ago
    If there was a list of top 10 internet replies where the commenter got the point of the guy he was replying to basically exactly backwards, this comment would have to be in the top 5. What a spectacular failure of reading comprehension.
PittleyDunkin 2y ago
> Capitalism is not and never was the problem, the lack of regulation around it is. I simply disagree. Read the book. > Compare that things are generally better in countries with more regulation like NZ and Norway. I don't think they fixed the problem either.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > I simply disagree. Read the book. I've read plenty of books criticizing capitalism. How about you read some in support if it? > I don't think they fixed the problem either. Twist: They did.

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hollandheese 2y ago

>Capitalism is not and never was the problem, the lack of regulation around it is. Yeah, sure. You keep believing that. >Compare how bad things are in the US for many people, directly due to a lack of regulation in many instances. Healthcare pre-Obamacare is a great example. The regulation has done so well to reign in healthcare corporations that people are shooting healthcare ceos in cold blood on the streets and people are cheering about it.

ruthmarx 2y ago
> Yeah, sure. You keep believing that. It's not a question of belief, the evidence is clear as day. > The regulation has done so well to reign in healthcare corporations that people are shooting healthcare ceos in cold blood on the streets and people are cheering about it. The GOP is extremely resistant to any regulation and went out of there way to cripple Obamacare as much as they could. If your takeaway from my previous comment was that regulation in the US is working well, I invite you to re-read it.
- hollandheese 2y ago
  >It's not a question of belief, the evidence is clear as day. Yeah, sure. The economic system that is boiling the planet and will make it unlivable is the best thing ever!
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    No one claimed that. Can you do better than argue against a strawman?
    - hollandheese 2y ago
      You’re the one arguing that capitalism isn’t the problem when it pretty clearly is. You can’t patch a fundamentally failed system.
      - ruthmarx 2y ago
        I said a lack of regulation around businesses was the problem, and you misrepresented my point, claiming I said capitalism was the best thing ever. Hence the strawman. The claim that capitalism is fundamentally failed is one that needs support, given that it is capitalist countries that have the highest quality of life and are highest on the happiness indices.
        hollandheese 2y ago
        Please learn about the failures of regulation during the 20th century and how most regulations in the US got clawed away through time. Please learn about regulatory capture and also learn about the failures of NHS and the Canadian health care systems due to the pressures put on them by capitalist system.
        ruthmarx 2y ago
        Specific failures in the past are failures in the specific ways capitalism was implemented. You wouldn't use past failed examples of socialism to argue socialism is fundamentally flawed, would you? I understand you disagree with me and may be dismissive of my position, but let's try to assume good faith and keep this civil, please? We may end up finding we agree more than disagree.
FrontierProject 2y ago
If there was a list of top 10 internet replies where the commenter got the point of the guy he was replying to basically exactly backwards, this comment would have to be in the top 5. What a spectacular failure of reading comprehension.
- hollandheese 2y ago
  If there was a list of top 10 internet replies where the commenter got the point of the guy he was replying to basically exactly backwards, this comment would have to be in the top 5. What a spectacular failure of reading comprehension.

PittleyDunkin 2y ago

> Capitalism is not and never was the problem, the lack of regulation around it is. I simply disagree. Read the book. > Compare that things are generally better in countries with more regulation like NZ and Norway. I don't think they fixed the problem either.

ruthmarx 2y ago
> I simply disagree. Read the book. I've read plenty of books criticizing capitalism. How about you read some in support if it? > I don't think they fixed the problem either. Twist: They did.