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ChatGPT O3 Preview Announcement
- jsheard 2y agoSince OpenAI bills you for tokens expended on chain-of-thought, I assume this "deliberative alignment" has the funny side-effect of making you pay for the time the model spends ruminating on whether it should refuse to do what you asked it to do. Talk about adding insult to injury.
- xxpor 2y agoMaybe the most convincing argument yet that this is similar to how humans think.
- skinner_ 2y agoOkay, but is this similar to how humans bill you?
- PhunkyPhil 2y agoYes, a lawyer could refuse your case after consulting them and their time considering the case.
- uncomplexity_ 2y agoand sometimes they charge $1k per hour and still not have solutions after that hour
- batmaniam 2y agoThe point of technology is to make our lives easier and cheaper. There's no point to have chatgpt to charge this way other than to make the capitalist owners more money. Otherwise the self-serve machines at Mcdonalds should cost the company the same as an employee with a fair salary. Mass assembly lines building cars and machines should cost the same as 100+ workers including costs of health benefits and breaks.
- e-clinton 2y agoI’d imagine the point is for you to pay for resources used… considering your prompt still costs money.
- stogot 2y agoHow often does this happen? I’ve consulted lawyers for an hour who refused to support my case , and was billed nothing
- danpalmer 2y agoAt the lowest end of the industry it’s common to get free consultations because it’s too much expense for individuals otherwise, but in corporate law or higher end services I believe it’s much less common.
- grapesodaaaaa 2y agoI’ve been to a lawyer once, and this happened. I got billed and told to go to a different lawyer.
- whamlastxmas 2y agoI don’t really see this any differently from an API billing you per call and still billing you for calls that where you pass in wrong credentials and get unauthorized error responses
- Incipient 2y agoI don't think I've ever seen an API bill for incorrect credentials, or even anything that returns a non-200?
- 486sx33 2y agoSo … hypothetically, I Spent $5 on tokens to figure out the answer - then got an answer that my answer is blocked !
- rmbyrro 2y agousing the service is optional and they're clear about how pricing works, though one can always refuse to use
- throwaway314155 2y agodef should_upvote(headline: str) -> bool: if "o3" in headline.lower(): return True return False Seriously though, is there anything new here? Also why the need for the editorialized headline? The article is titled "12 Days of OpenAI", not "ChatGPT O3 Preview Announcement" (which frankly makes it sound like it's about to be available to the public, which it isn't).
- layer8 2y agoreturn "o3" in headline.lower() would have done the job.
- throwaway314155 2y agoThis is more painful than any downvote. Have an upvote.
- mercer 2y agoThese threads are my favorite kind of pedantic :)
- jordanmorgan10 2y agoThis video format is killing me. Would love to keep up with the announcement but I have no desire for 10-20 minute videos.
- layer8 2y agoAI video summary at your service: In this video, Sam Altman and team introduce OpenAI o3 and o3-mini, showcasing their advanced reasoning capabilities and performance benchmarks compared to earlier models. The session highlights the models' robust accuracy in coding and mathematical tasks, as well as new safety testing initiatives involving community participation. The o3-mini is noted for its cost-efficient performance, while safety strategies are enhanced through deliberative alignment. ## Key Points ### Introduction to o3 and o3-mini models During the final day of their 12-day event, OpenAI announces two new models: o3 and o3-mini. These models are positioned as advancements in AI reasoning capabilities, following the success of the earlier o1 model. ### Performance benchmarks The o3 model achieves significant improvements in capabilities, scoring 71.7% on software benchmarks and reaching near-expert levels on competitive math exams. In comparison to o1, it shows over 20% improvement in coding tasks. ### Safety testing initiatives OpenAI emphasizes safety testing for the new models, opening access for researchers to facilitate public testing. The goal is to ensure models are safe for general use while their capabilities are further validated. ### Introduction of o3-mini The o3-mini is presented as a cost-efficient alternative to o3, also equipped with strong reasoning powers, allowing adjustable thinking time to optimize performance based on user needs. ### New safety techniques: deliberative alignment A new safety training technique, deliberative alignment, uses reasoning capabilities of the models to create better safety benchmarks, enhancing the ability to accurately reject unsafe prompts. ### Future developments and availability The video concludes with information on how to apply for early access to test these models with expectations of full public availability in early 2025, alongside a call for safety researchers to contribute.
- karimdaghari 2y agoIt's a bit ironic that it got the availability date wrong no?
- byyoung3 2y agoSummary here https://wandb.ai/byyoung3/ml-news/reports/OpenAI-Introduces-o3-Pushing-the-Boundaries-of-AI-Reasoning--VmlldzoxMDY3OTUxMA https://wandb.ai/byyoung3/ml-news/reports/OpenAI-Introduces-...
- transcriptase 2y agoSafety: not from causing you physical harm or risking property damage, since there are no guardrails against it confidently walking you through a flawed breadboard circuit that will cause components to explode or immediately catch fire. Then say “You’re absolutely right. We shouldn’t have run 120v through that capacitor rated for 10v. Here’s an updated design that fixes the issue”, then proceed to explain the same thing with a resistor placed at random. No we mean safety from our LLM saying something that pisses off a politician, or even worse… hurting someone’s /feelings/.
- binary132 2y agoIt is more accurate to say they are thinking in terms of “brand safety” or liability, that is, being safe from being blamed for making a mean robot.
- sourcepluck 2y agoWell, if one of OpenAI's LLMs started quoting Mein Kampf in its answers to people, would you laugh, or would you not laugh? That's the question.
- binary132 2y agoyour fallacy is: reductio ad hitlerum
- sourcepluck 2y ago> Reductio ad Hitlerum (Latin for "reduction to Hitler"), also known as playing the Nazi card, is an attempt to invalidate someone else's argument on the basis that the same idea was promoted or practised by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. I can't tell if you're being serious, or joking, or what. In any case, there's the actual definition, and I don't see how it applies whatsoever. I was not disagreeing with you in the first place? Perhaps there's simply a misunderstanding. reduction ad hitlerum =/= "mentioning hitler in any way"
- faizshah 2y agoDid I miss it or did they say whether o3 is going to be available under ChatGPT Plus or Pro?
- luke-stanley 2y agoI watched the live stream and don't recall any mention of it. It's not at that stage!
- daft_pink 2y agoWe’d really likt to use this today.
- luke-stanley 2y agoThe title is very wrong, "ChatGPT O3" is not a thing, OpenAI's new o3 model is not even demoed in ChatGPT, they don't call it "O3". The subtitle at the top is "o3 preview & call for safety researchers". The web page title is "12 Days of OpenAI".