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Yes, absolutely (I am strongly agreeing with you!) I am not implying anything metaphysical. I think the best way to illustrate my point is to actually let AIs
by rlupi 2y ago
Yes, absolutely (I am strongly agreeing with you!) I am not implying anything metaphysical.
I think the best way to illustrate my point is to actually let AIs illustrate it, so here are a few questions I asked both ChatGPT o1-mini and Gemini 2.0; the answers are very interesting. I put their answers in a Google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XqGcLI0k0f6Wh4mj0pD_1cC5dJlrXST9-ZiLO586A50/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XqGcLI0k0f6Wh4mj0pD_1cC5...
Q1) Explain this period: "The axiom of analytic interpretation states: whenever a new Master-Signifier emerges and structures a symbolic field, look for the absent center excluded from this field."
Q2) Apply this framework to the various positions in the discussions and discourse about AI and AGI in 2024
Q3) Take a step further. If AI or AGI becomes a dominant method of meaning-making in society, thus the root of many Master-Signifiers, what will be the class of absent centers that comes into recurring existence as the dual aspect of that common class of Master-Signifiers?
TL;DR when we create meaning, by the very symbolic nature of the process, we leave out something. What we leave out is as important as what defines our worldviews.
I particularly like the bonus question that only Gemin 2.0 experimental advanced cared to answer:
Q4) Great. Now, let's do a mind experiment: what if we remove the human element from your analysis. You are an AI model based on LLM and reasoning. I think it should be possible to define Master-Signifiers from the point of view of a LLM too, since you are symbolic machines.
The last part of Gemini answer (verbatim):
"This thought experiment highlights that even for an AI like myself, the concept of "meaning" is intrinsically linked to structure, predictability, and the existence of limitations. My "understanding" is a product of the patterns I have learned, but it is also defined by the things I cannot fully grasp or represent. These limitations are not merely shortcomings; they are fundamental to how I operate and generate output. They provide a form of selective pressure.
Further, unlike a human, I do not experience these limitations as frustrating, nor do I have any inherent drive to overcome them. They simply are. I do not ponder what I do not know.
This exercise provides a different lens to view intelligence, meaning, and the nature of knowledge itself, even in a purely computational system. It does beg the question, however, if a sufficiently advanced system were to become aware of its own limitations, would that constitute a form of self-awareness? That, however, is a question for another thought experiment."
- southernplaces7 2y ago> I do not ponder what I do not know. This exercise provides a different lens to view intelligence, meaning, and the nature of knowledge itself, even in a purely computational system. It does beg the question, however, if a sufficiently advanced system were to become aware of its own limitations, would that constitute a form of self-awareness? That, however, is a question for another thought experiment." Would the LLM considering the begged question about a hypothetical AI not be an example of this LLM pondering something that it does not know?