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> Not everyone wants their app to look and behave like a bundled Apple app. As (now just) a user of macOS, that’s EXACTLY what I want - consistency, not the ou

by jen20 2y ago

> Not everyone wants their app to look and behave like a bundled Apple app. As (now just) a user of macOS, that’s EXACTLY what I want - consistency, not the output of some branding or UX person trying to mark their territory.

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
As with everything, "it depends." It's entirely possible to have unique branding, yet maintain consistency with standard Apple UX. Just takes flexibility and compromise. Many designers aren't so good at that. On a related note, did you ever try out Kai's Power Tools[0]? Now that was a nonstandard UX. Some folks really loved it, but it was an acquired taste. [0] https://mprove.de/script/99/kai/2Software.html https://mprove.de/script/99/kai/2Software.html
- jen20 2y ago
  Actually yes! And Kai's Power Goo as well - both of those I hated. I really want apps to fit into the platform, and not try to be special snowflakes, regardless of what the platform is. Admittedly defining what a "Windows app" looks like has got harder over the years, and there were some dark years on the Mac where people tried to rationalize when to use brushed metal and so forth... The broader point is, I'm very glad Apple are making it harder for people to go off piste with regards to look and feel. Some people might be capable of doing a good job, but like with advertising, the well has been poisoned, and I assume that everyone doing it at all has poor intentions. Games get a pass (though I don't personally play any on desktop computers).
wpm 2y ago
Yeah just like the Home app…or the calculator that can’t be resized…or System Settings (oooh which way is the text going to run in this text box? Nobody knows!)… or Game Center, or Apple Music, or any of the other half assed first party apps on the platform that all use different layouts and UI components and behaviors. The consistency you seek is gone, and has been for ages, if it ever even existed.
- jen20 2y ago
  All of those are bad apps, which desperately need porting to proper native UI technology instead of Catalyst, in many cases. The fact that some first party apps are bad is not an excuse for third parties (who are inherently less trustworthy) to run rampant though.

by jen20 2y ago

ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago

As with everything, "it depends." It's entirely possible to have unique branding, yet maintain consistency with standard Apple UX. Just takes flexibility and compromise. Many designers aren't so good at that. On a related note, did you ever try out Kai's Power Tools[0]? Now that was a nonstandard UX. Some folks really loved it, but it was an acquired taste. [0] https://mprove.de/script/99/kai/2Software.html https://mprove.de/script/99/kai/2Software.html

jen20 2y ago
Actually yes! And Kai's Power Goo as well - both of those I hated. I really want apps to fit into the platform, and not try to be special snowflakes, regardless of what the platform is. Admittedly defining what a "Windows app" looks like has got harder over the years, and there were some dark years on the Mac where people tried to rationalize when to use brushed metal and so forth... The broader point is, I'm very glad Apple are making it harder for people to go off piste with regards to look and feel. Some people might be capable of doing a good job, but like with advertising, the well has been poisoned, and I assume that everyone doing it at all has poor intentions. Games get a pass (though I don't personally play any on desktop computers).

wpm 2y ago

Yeah just like the Home app…or the calculator that can’t be resized…or System Settings (oooh which way is the text going to run in this text box? Nobody knows!)… or Game Center, or Apple Music, or any of the other half assed first party apps on the platform that all use different layouts and UI components and behaviors. The consistency you seek is gone, and has been for ages, if it ever even existed.

jen20 2y ago
All of those are bad apps, which desperately need porting to proper native UI technology instead of Catalyst, in many cases. The fact that some first party apps are bad is not an excuse for third parties (who are inherently less trustworthy) to run rampant though.