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Having schizophrenia does not in any way invalidate your conjecture on a possible link between EMF exposure and schizophrenia. However, there has been a very l

Having schizophrenia does not in any way invalidate your conjecture on a possible link between EMF exposure and schizophrenia. However, there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure and various health concerns, including schizophrenia specifically, without much effect shown. So, unlike you, I would be quite surprised if it was found to be contributing. Interestingly though, there have been some studies that show a possible link between schizophrenia and ionizing radiation. (for instance: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ )

FollowingTheDao 2y ago
> there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure What type of EMF exposure? You see, there really has not been studies of real world newer EMF frequencies and none on mmWave exposure that are not only based on the thermal effects. Please see this from 2023: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 However, the available studies have not investigated the health effects resulting from exposure from the 5G mobile phone and base station antennas from 700 MHz to 30 GHz on the cognitive performance, well-being subjective symptoms, human physiological parameters, and EEG of adults. There is a need for such research regarding this current emerging technology. Such studies are significant in determining whether 5G technology is indeed safe for humans.
- giantg2 2y ago
  There have been some EMF studies showing increased glucose consumption in areas of the brain exposed to it. If I remember correctly, this was related to some cell phone research. There haven't been any studies that I have come across that look deeper into what it might mean long term.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    At least several of the early cell phone exposure studies that showed negative effects on rats used irradiation levels that equalled putting your head in a microwave oven. So just keep that in mind before drawing conclusions.
    - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
      I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence. I can assure you, putting a rat in a microwave will damage/kill it, in momonets. But let say they were overpowered, but not at the extent you are claiming. Were these studies "over powered" on purpose? There is evidence that they were to dismiss any health effects in studies completed by companies that make thee devices and this is discussed by researchers.
      - magicalhippo 2y ago
        > I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence I calculated it myself. It was in response to one of those anti-EMF folks posting these papers as proof that cell phones were very dangerous. It's been several years since I did this, I don't have the references or calculations handy. They exposed rats to increasing levels of radiation power for relatively short durations, and only the highest had the adverse effects. Of course, could be I calculated it wrong. But it was a fairly simple scaling thing ala watts per gram of tissue, and I did do it for at least a few papers. And yes, I think these were overpowered on purpose. If there was no effect at these extreme levels, it wouldn't make much sense spending resources studying lower-level exposure.
        giantg2 2y ago
        Who cares about rats. There are plenty of human studies we can look at. The point is, we know EMF can affect things, but we don't know if those affects are harmful. Going back in the comment history, this was about telling someone that maybe they're crazy, but maybe they aren't crazy about EMF affecting their mental state. There are things they can look up, such as brain glucose metabolism, EEG changes, etc. We know these changes happen, but we don't know what they mean or how they might interact with a condition like their's as it's hard enough to find good EMF studies let alone ones where the subjects aren't "healthy individuals".
        magicalhippo 2y ago
        Sure. My point was simply that people read how they performed the study and not just the punchline from the conclusion section.
  - adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
    the biggest problem with any of these theories is the sun. the sun puts out a mind boggling amount of millimeter wave radiation so it's very hard to believe a-priori that the cell signals are a problem.
    - archerx 2y ago
      Do you know many people who have spent too much time in the sun? There is something not right about them…
      - buildsjets 2y ago
        Is there any actual study on this? I have encountered some extraordinarily strange people in places like Reno, Bakersfield, Yuma, and other desert cities. Strange in a different way from the usual wierdos I run into in places like Seattle, LA, NY, ATL, etc. The only population I’ve encountered with a similar strangeness to them is folks who have worked their whole life in a high VOC environment. Paint shops, print shops, that kind of thing. We were shopping for some custom canvas work for a boat, and at every shop we got quotes from there was overpowering smell of polyvinyl chloride, and every shop owner had a very weird affect to them.
        FollowingTheDao 2y ago
        As someone with schizophrenia I know for a fact bright sun and heat make my mood disorder harder to handle. Heat and humidity are well know triggers for mood episodes [1]. The stress could be from inflammation, catecholamine release, or even the increased blue light. [1] https://www.albany.edu/news-center/news/2022-ualbany-led-study-finds-exposure-sun-heat-and-humidity-can-exacerbate https://www.albany.edu/news-center/news/2022-ualbany-led-stu...
    - giantg2 2y ago
      Nobody is askin you to believe anything a-priori. The point here is that we haven't looked into what the affects mean. The sun puts out considerably less radio emission than it does any other EMR (xray, UV, visible, infrared). Many of the wavelengths are then deflected, absorbed, weakened, etc by the atmosphere. Logically speaking, if the wavelength that we use for forms of radio communication make it to earth, then we would need to transmit at a higher power to overcome that background noise. Again, logically speaking, when the tests are being done, the observation in increased glucose consumption etc are being observed over the natural baseline affects of the sun.

FollowingTheDao 2y ago

> there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure What type of EMF exposure? You see, there really has not been studies of real world newer EMF frequencies and none on mmWave exposure that are not only based on the thermal effects. Please see this from 2023: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 However, the available studies have not investigated the health effects resulting from exposure from the 5G mobile phone and base station antennas from 700 MHz to 30 GHz on the cognitive performance, well-being subjective symptoms, human physiological parameters, and EEG of adults. There is a need for such research regarding this current emerging technology. Such studies are significant in determining whether 5G technology is indeed safe for humans.

giantg2 2y ago
There have been some EMF studies showing increased glucose consumption in areas of the brain exposed to it. If I remember correctly, this was related to some cell phone research. There haven't been any studies that I have come across that look deeper into what it might mean long term.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  At least several of the early cell phone exposure studies that showed negative effects on rats used irradiation levels that equalled putting your head in a microwave oven. So just keep that in mind before drawing conclusions.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence. I can assure you, putting a rat in a microwave will damage/kill it, in momonets. But let say they were overpowered, but not at the extent you are claiming. Were these studies "over powered" on purpose? There is evidence that they were to dismiss any health effects in studies completed by companies that make thee devices and this is discussed by researchers.
    - magicalhippo 2y ago
      > I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence I calculated it myself. It was in response to one of those anti-EMF folks posting these papers as proof that cell phones were very dangerous. It's been several years since I did this, I don't have the references or calculations handy. They exposed rats to increasing levels of radiation power for relatively short durations, and only the highest had the adverse effects. Of course, could be I calculated it wrong. But it was a fairly simple scaling thing ala watts per gram of tissue, and I did do it for at least a few papers. And yes, I think these were overpowered on purpose. If there was no effect at these extreme levels, it wouldn't make much sense spending resources studying lower-level exposure.
      - giantg2 2y ago
        Who cares about rats. There are plenty of human studies we can look at. The point is, we know EMF can affect things, but we don't know if those affects are harmful. Going back in the comment history, this was about telling someone that maybe they're crazy, but maybe they aren't crazy about EMF affecting their mental state. There are things they can look up, such as brain glucose metabolism, EEG changes, etc. We know these changes happen, but we don't know what they mean or how they might interact with a condition like their's as it's hard enough to find good EMF studies let alone ones where the subjects aren't "healthy individuals".
        magicalhippo 2y ago
        Sure. My point was simply that people read how they performed the study and not just the punchline from the conclusion section.
- adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
  the biggest problem with any of these theories is the sun. the sun puts out a mind boggling amount of millimeter wave radiation so it's very hard to believe a-priori that the cell signals are a problem.
  - archerx 2y ago
    Do you know many people who have spent too much time in the sun? There is something not right about them…
    - buildsjets 2y ago
      Is there any actual study on this? I have encountered some extraordinarily strange people in places like Reno, Bakersfield, Yuma, and other desert cities. Strange in a different way from the usual wierdos I run into in places like Seattle, LA, NY, ATL, etc. The only population I’ve encountered with a similar strangeness to them is folks who have worked their whole life in a high VOC environment. Paint shops, print shops, that kind of thing. We were shopping for some custom canvas work for a boat, and at every shop we got quotes from there was overpowering smell of polyvinyl chloride, and every shop owner had a very weird affect to them.
      - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
        As someone with schizophrenia I know for a fact bright sun and heat make my mood disorder harder to handle. Heat and humidity are well know triggers for mood episodes [1]. The stress could be from inflammation, catecholamine release, or even the increased blue light. [1] https://www.albany.edu/news-center/news/2022-ualbany-led-study-finds-exposure-sun-heat-and-humidity-can-exacerbate https://www.albany.edu/news-center/news/2022-ualbany-led-stu...
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Nobody is askin you to believe anything a-priori. The point here is that we haven't looked into what the affects mean. The sun puts out considerably less radio emission than it does any other EMR (xray, UV, visible, infrared). Many of the wavelengths are then deflected, absorbed, weakened, etc by the atmosphere. Logically speaking, if the wavelength that we use for forms of radio communication make it to earth, then we would need to transmit at a higher power to overcome that background noise. Again, logically speaking, when the tests are being done, the observation in increased glucose consumption etc are being observed over the natural baseline affects of the sun.