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Schizophrenic here. I do not hear voices (frequently), but have delusions. This is what I do, I do not trust anything I see. I found that I think people are lo

Schizophrenic here. I do not hear voices (frequently), but have delusions. This is what I do, I do not trust anything I see. I found that I think people are looking at me when they are not so now I just accept it and do not read anything into it. The medication to treat us are ancient and horrible and this is the only healthy way out for us. I had to learn this on my own though since medicare does not care enough about anyone's health.

lambdaba 2y ago
Do you know about this? https://www.youtube.com/@LivingWellAfterSchizophrenia/ https://www.youtube.com/@LivingWellAfterSchizophrenia/
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  Yes, thank you. I already do a high omega 3 keto diet and it has enabled me to come off of medications, only needing klonopin for triggers I cannot control. 7 years now. Mental illness is a metabolic disease, mine is caused by a problem with purine metabolism. (carbohydrates will turn into purines) Each person will be different. I have Schizoaffective disorder like she does. I would say we are remarkably similar in many ways.
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    That's amazing, congrats! I've also come to believe a mix of metabolic therapy and targeted supplementation (particularly B vitamins, chiefly B3), yields much better results than medications. And it seems the medical profession is slowly waking up to it too.
mind-blight 2y ago
If you don't mind me asking, do you have any cues or techniques that you use to help differentiate between a delusion and something real? Or are the kind of delusions you have consistent to the point where you've already categorized and figured out how to deal with them?
- daelon 2y ago
  The way I read his post is that categorizing and differentiating is fundamentally not possible, because sensory input cannot be trusted, period. This makes sense to me because part of what can drive you mad is the constant questioning, so one way to short-circuit this is to simply not play the game. It's zero trust networking for your brain, and you're asking "but how do you decide which ip addresses are safe?". That's the neat part, you don't.
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    Yes, that is it. But sometimes I can get clues to differentiate. Another example. The water coming out of my bathtub looked really really blue. So blue that I called the water company. The woman came out and had that look on her face and just said, your water looks fine. I have learned that the look is a clue for me to not trust myself and let go and trust other people. It is sort of like being blind having to trust people to tell you the right way to go.
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  > If you don't mind me asking, do you have any cues or techniques that you use to help differentiate between a delusion and something real? Nothing is real. Not for me or for you. That is my greatest insight of my illness. You all have very narrow band schizophrenia, mine is just more, uhm, loose. So if I feel like some shadow agency is tracking me I just say; "So what.", If I think what I picked up from the supermarket I just say; "So what if I die." I really had to stop caring about dying or suffering. The only time I know when I am alone in my perceptions is when I ask someone. For example, I was sitting in a restaurant and I these four Mexican workers were turned around staring at me. I asked my friend if they were and she said no. Now I do not know if I am able to pick up on something, maybe I could somehow tell they were talking about me adn my brain made me aware by making it look like they were looking at me. But again, so what is my answer. The day before that I felt my dead great uncle was telling me to go to Dillon, MT to make amends for him getting arrested there in 1954. So it was a tough week for me.
  - 2y ago
dsego 2y ago
Delusions are the worst, once they are too far gone there's no sense in trying to convince the person it's not real. We've been through it with a family member many times, the worst part is that it starts slowly, but they hide it so well or they self isolate and alienate everybody. Once the signs are there, they are already too far gone, broadcasting, paranoia, persecution, grandeur, telepathy, false memories, you name it. If it were only voices, I think that could be managed more easily than delusions. Not sure if it's true that relapses cause further damage (neurotoxicity) but so far only the neuroleptic shots have proven to be reliable and prevent the next manic episode. Regrettably, these cause a host of other issues, like depression, lack of motivation or pleasure and so on.
refurb 2y ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. This was my first thought - hearing voices are only one of many symptoms of psychosis. Disordered thinking is a big one. It's hard to convince someone who isn't thinking logically that they have a disease and the voices aren't real. Their grip on reality is already tenuous.

lambdaba 2y ago

Do you know about this? https://www.youtube.com/@LivingWellAfterSchizophrenia/ https://www.youtube.com/@LivingWellAfterSchizophrenia/

FollowingTheDao 2y ago
Yes, thank you. I already do a high omega 3 keto diet and it has enabled me to come off of medications, only needing klonopin for triggers I cannot control. 7 years now. Mental illness is a metabolic disease, mine is caused by a problem with purine metabolism. (carbohydrates will turn into purines) Each person will be different. I have Schizoaffective disorder like she does. I would say we are remarkably similar in many ways.
- lambdaba 2y ago
  That's amazing, congrats! I've also come to believe a mix of metabolic therapy and targeted supplementation (particularly B vitamins, chiefly B3), yields much better results than medications. And it seems the medical profession is slowly waking up to it too.

mind-blight 2y ago

If you don't mind me asking, do you have any cues or techniques that you use to help differentiate between a delusion and something real? Or are the kind of delusions you have consistent to the point where you've already categorized and figured out how to deal with them?

daelon 2y ago
The way I read his post is that categorizing and differentiating is fundamentally not possible, because sensory input cannot be trusted, period. This makes sense to me because part of what can drive you mad is the constant questioning, so one way to short-circuit this is to simply not play the game. It's zero trust networking for your brain, and you're asking "but how do you decide which ip addresses are safe?". That's the neat part, you don't.
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  Yes, that is it. But sometimes I can get clues to differentiate. Another example. The water coming out of my bathtub looked really really blue. So blue that I called the water company. The woman came out and had that look on her face and just said, your water looks fine. I have learned that the look is a clue for me to not trust myself and let go and trust other people. It is sort of like being blind having to trust people to tell you the right way to go.
FollowingTheDao 2y ago
> If you don't mind me asking, do you have any cues or techniques that you use to help differentiate between a delusion and something real? Nothing is real. Not for me or for you. That is my greatest insight of my illness. You all have very narrow band schizophrenia, mine is just more, uhm, loose. So if I feel like some shadow agency is tracking me I just say; "So what.", If I think what I picked up from the supermarket I just say; "So what if I die." I really had to stop caring about dying or suffering. The only time I know when I am alone in my perceptions is when I ask someone. For example, I was sitting in a restaurant and I these four Mexican workers were turned around staring at me. I asked my friend if they were and she said no. Now I do not know if I am able to pick up on something, maybe I could somehow tell they were talking about me adn my brain made me aware by making it look like they were looking at me. But again, so what is my answer. The day before that I felt my dead great uncle was telling me to go to Dillon, MT to make amends for him getting arrested there in 1954. So it was a tough week for me.
- 2y ago

dsego 2y ago

Delusions are the worst, once they are too far gone there's no sense in trying to convince the person it's not real. We've been through it with a family member many times, the worst part is that it starts slowly, but they hide it so well or they self isolate and alienate everybody. Once the signs are there, they are already too far gone, broadcasting, paranoia, persecution, grandeur, telepathy, false memories, you name it. If it were only voices, I think that could be managed more easily than delusions. Not sure if it's true that relapses cause further damage (neurotoxicity) but so far only the neuroleptic shots have proven to be reliable and prevent the next manic episode. Regrettably, these cause a host of other issues, like depression, lack of motivation or pleasure and so on.

refurb 2y ago

Thanks for sharing your experience. This was my first thought - hearing voices are only one of many symptoms of psychosis. Disordered thinking is a big one. It's hard to convince someone who isn't thinking logically that they have a disease and the voices aren't real. Their grip on reality is already tenuous.