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not to be a trope, but Covid maybe?

FollowingTheDao 2y ago
I have schizophrenia and both times I caught COVID my first symptoms was a horrible psychosis. First time almost went to the psych hospital but that is worse than just dealing with the psychosis. Luckily I had a friend who talked me through it and got me some meds. I told my doctors this and they just shrugged. No one cares if you are mentally ill. To add another trope, do not be shocked if EMFs are also found to be contributing. I know, this is coming from a schizophrenic, so whatever.
- technothrasher 2y ago
  Having schizophrenia does not in any way invalidate your conjecture on a possible link between EMF exposure and schizophrenia. However, there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure and various health concerns, including schizophrenia specifically, without much effect shown. So, unlike you, I would be quite surprised if it was found to be contributing. Interestingly though, there have been some studies that show a possible link between schizophrenia and ionizing radiation. (for instance: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ )
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    > there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure What type of EMF exposure? You see, there really has not been studies of real world newer EMF frequencies and none on mmWave exposure that are not only based on the thermal effects. Please see this from 2023: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 However, the available studies have not investigated the health effects resulting from exposure from the 5G mobile phone and base station antennas from 700 MHz to 30 GHz on the cognitive performance, well-being subjective symptoms, human physiological parameters, and EEG of adults. There is a need for such research regarding this current emerging technology. Such studies are significant in determining whether 5G technology is indeed safe for humans.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      There have been some EMF studies showing increased glucose consumption in areas of the brain exposed to it. If I remember correctly, this was related to some cell phone research. There haven't been any studies that I have come across that look deeper into what it might mean long term.
      - magicalhippo 2y ago
        At least several of the early cell phone exposure studies that showed negative effects on rats used irradiation levels that equalled putting your head in a microwave oven. So just keep that in mind before drawing conclusions.
        FollowingTheDao 2y ago
        I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence. I can assure you, putting a rat in a microwave will damage/kill it, in momonets. But let say they were overpowered, but not at the extent you are claiming. Were these studies "over powered" on purpose? There is evidence that they were to dismiss any health effects in studies completed by companies that make thee devices and this is discussed by researchers.
        magicalhippo 2y ago
        > I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence I calculated it myself. It was in response to one of those anti-EMF folks posting these papers as proof that cell phones were very dangerous. It's been several years since I did this, I don't have the references or calculations handy. They exposed rats to increasing levels of radiation power for relatively short durations, and only the highest had the adverse effects. Of course, could be I calculated it wrong. But it was a fairly simple scaling thing ala watts per gram of tissue, and I did do it for at least a few papers. And yes, I think these were overpowered on purpose. If there was no effect at these extreme levels, it wouldn't make much sense spending resources studying lower-level exposure.
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empressplay 2y ago
Part of long Covid is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) which has been found to be comorbid with a number of mental health issues https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Have they recruited patients to test the long Covid hypothesis in places other than Facebook groups? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/
RobotToaster 2y ago
There's evidence of brain damage from COVID[0], and brain damage from things like TBI can cause psychosis. [0] https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070 https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070
Tade0 2y ago
In a way, I guess? One of the three people suffering from schizophrenia who I know had their first episode when he, in the peak of COVID, could not get any information about his mother who was taken to hospital with COVID. She died, but he didn't learn that before a week after her passing. Such events leave emotional scars on anyone, but can trigger schizophrenia in those who have a family history of the disease.

I have schizophrenia and both times I caught COVID my first symptoms was a horrible psychosis. First time almost went to the psych hospital but that is worse than just dealing with the psychosis. Luckily I had a friend who talked me through it and got me some meds. I told my doctors this and they just shrugged. No one cares if you are mentally ill. To add another trope, do not be shocked if EMFs are also found to be contributing. I know, this is coming from a schizophrenic, so whatever.

technothrasher 2y ago
Having schizophrenia does not in any way invalidate your conjecture on a possible link between EMF exposure and schizophrenia. However, there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure and various health concerns, including schizophrenia specifically, without much effect shown. So, unlike you, I would be quite surprised if it was found to be contributing. Interestingly though, there have been some studies that show a possible link between schizophrenia and ionizing radiation. (for instance: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ )
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  > there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure What type of EMF exposure? You see, there really has not been studies of real world newer EMF frequencies and none on mmWave exposure that are not only based on the thermal effects. Please see this from 2023: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 However, the available studies have not investigated the health effects resulting from exposure from the 5G mobile phone and base station antennas from 700 MHz to 30 GHz on the cognitive performance, well-being subjective symptoms, human physiological parameters, and EEG of adults. There is a need for such research regarding this current emerging technology. Such studies are significant in determining whether 5G technology is indeed safe for humans.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    There have been some EMF studies showing increased glucose consumption in areas of the brain exposed to it. If I remember correctly, this was related to some cell phone research. There haven't been any studies that I have come across that look deeper into what it might mean long term.
    - magicalhippo 2y ago
      At least several of the early cell phone exposure studies that showed negative effects on rats used irradiation levels that equalled putting your head in a microwave oven. So just keep that in mind before drawing conclusions.
      - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
        I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence. I can assure you, putting a rat in a microwave will damage/kill it, in momonets. But let say they were overpowered, but not at the extent you are claiming. Were these studies "over powered" on purpose? There is evidence that they were to dismiss any health effects in studies completed by companies that make thee devices and this is discussed by researchers.
        magicalhippo 2y ago
        > I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence I calculated it myself. It was in response to one of those anti-EMF folks posting these papers as proof that cell phones were very dangerous. It's been several years since I did this, I don't have the references or calculations handy. They exposed rats to increasing levels of radiation power for relatively short durations, and only the highest had the adverse effects. Of course, could be I calculated it wrong. But it was a fairly simple scaling thing ala watts per gram of tissue, and I did do it for at least a few papers. And yes, I think these were overpowered on purpose. If there was no effect at these extreme levels, it wouldn't make much sense spending resources studying lower-level exposure.

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empressplay 2y ago

Part of long Covid is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) which has been found to be comorbid with a number of mental health issues https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/

selimthegrim 2y ago
Have they recruited patients to test the long Covid hypothesis in places other than Facebook groups? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/

RobotToaster 2y ago

There's evidence of brain damage from COVID[0], and brain damage from things like TBI can cause psychosis. [0] https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070 https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070

Tade0 2y ago

In a way, I guess? One of the three people suffering from schizophrenia who I know had their first episode when he, in the peak of COVID, could not get any information about his mother who was taken to hospital with COVID. She died, but he didn't learn that before a week after her passing. Such events leave emotional scars on anyone, but can trigger schizophrenia in those who have a family history of the disease.