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> The rate of schizophrenia-related emergency-room visits for men ages 18 to 44 years old is 16% higher so far in 2024 compared with 2018, according to health-a

by jemmyw 2y ago

> The rate of schizophrenia-related emergency-room visits for men ages 18 to 44 years old is 16% higher so far in 2024 compared with 2018, according to health-analytics company Truveta; men ages 30 to 44 showed a 24% increase. A better working treatment is good but understanding these numbers seems important. That's a large increase in a very short time.

gonzo41 2y ago
not to be a trope, but Covid maybe?
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  I have schizophrenia and both times I caught COVID my first symptoms was a horrible psychosis. First time almost went to the psych hospital but that is worse than just dealing with the psychosis. Luckily I had a friend who talked me through it and got me some meds. I told my doctors this and they just shrugged. No one cares if you are mentally ill. To add another trope, do not be shocked if EMFs are also found to be contributing. I know, this is coming from a schizophrenic, so whatever.
  - technothrasher 2y ago
    Having schizophrenia does not in any way invalidate your conjecture on a possible link between EMF exposure and schizophrenia. However, there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure and various health concerns, including schizophrenia specifically, without much effect shown. So, unlike you, I would be quite surprised if it was found to be contributing. Interestingly though, there have been some studies that show a possible link between schizophrenia and ionizing radiation. (for instance: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ )
    - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
      > there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure What type of EMF exposure? You see, there really has not been studies of real world newer EMF frequencies and none on mmWave exposure that are not only based on the thermal effects. Please see this from 2023: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 However, the available studies have not investigated the health effects resulting from exposure from the 5G mobile phone and base station antennas from 700 MHz to 30 GHz on the cognitive performance, well-being subjective symptoms, human physiological parameters, and EEG of adults. There is a need for such research regarding this current emerging technology. Such studies are significant in determining whether 5G technology is indeed safe for humans.
      - giantg2 2y ago
        There have been some EMF studies showing increased glucose consumption in areas of the brain exposed to it. If I remember correctly, this was related to some cell phone research. There haven't been any studies that I have come across that look deeper into what it might mean long term.
        magicalhippo 2y ago
        At least several of the early cell phone exposure studies that showed negative effects on rats used irradiation levels that equalled putting your head in a microwave oven. So just keep that in mind before drawing conclusions.
        FollowingTheDao 2y ago
        I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence. I can assure you, putting a rat in a microwave will damage/kill it, in momonets. But let say they were overpowered, but not at the extent you are claiming. Were these studies "over powered" on purpose? There is evidence that they were to dismiss any health effects in studies completed by companies that make thee devices and this is discussed by researchers.
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- empressplay 2y ago
  Part of long Covid is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) which has been found to be comorbid with a number of mental health issues https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    Have they recruited patients to test the long Covid hypothesis in places other than Facebook groups? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/
- RobotToaster 2y ago
  There's evidence of brain damage from COVID[0], and brain damage from things like TBI can cause psychosis. [0] https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070 https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070
- Tade0 2y ago
  In a way, I guess? One of the three people suffering from schizophrenia who I know had their first episode when he, in the peak of COVID, could not get any information about his mother who was taken to hospital with COVID. She died, but he didn't learn that before a week after her passing. Such events leave emotional scars on anyone, but can trigger schizophrenia in those who have a family history of the disease.
keybored 2y ago
The inundation of everything that is “on the rise” is enough to make anyone paranoid.
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  Is paranoia on the rise? It sure seems anxiety is ...
  - jeffrallen 2y ago
    Paranoia is not on the rise, it's just that they want you to think it is...
  - hinkley 2y ago
    Why are you asking? Who told you to ask? What do they want?
y-curious 2y ago
My money is on: increased cannabis use + social isolation (COVID+short form social media) + more awareness/less stigma of seeking treatment
- hinkley 2y ago
  We knew a guy who retired at ~30 and was institutionalized by 35. That’s really the only person I’ve been able to watch go off the rails. And in his case it really did seem that the isolation drove the decline, rather than the decline driving the isolation. That was around the time we were first exploring the idea that staying busy with novel problems can delay the onset of dementia. Being around people is perhaps an incentive to keep the wheels on a bit longer. We thought going to work did that for him in a way that parties and lunches with friends did not.
  - xdfgh1112 2y ago
    My alcoholism is significantly worse when I am not working, even if I have other things to do. Like week long 24/7 drinking level. That's one of the reasons the FIRE stuff doesn't appeal to me. I have been willfully unemployed and it is not always a bed of roses.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
    There's the co-founder of Cloudflare (Lee Holloway) who has frontotemporal degenration at a very young age, too... https://www.theaftd.org/posts/front-page/cloudflare-co-founder-who-is-living-with-ftd-profiled-in-wired/ https://www.theaftd.org/posts/front-page/cloudflare-co-found...
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    > Being around people is perhaps an incentive to keep the wheels on a bit longer. I assume that people around you are also more likely to notice issues, and convince you to seek medical help before it's too late.
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suzzer99 2y ago
My friend who's been in psychosis for a year and a half now, and may have schizophrenia (we can't get her to see any doctors), was doing a lot of "microdosing" mushrooms, acid, ecstasy, and plenty of macrodosing too. I think there's a very likely chance this contributed to her falling into psychosis (along with menopause and the stress/idleness of losing her job).
- dbspin 2y ago
  Could equally be the case that these were coping mechanisms she was using to try to accommodate her early symptoms. The classic addiction story is that at the root of problematic alcohol or drug use there's serious trauma - frequently sexual abuse, early life neglect etc. While these things aggregate (losing her job etc), there could be a common root.
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fortran77 2y ago
I suspect very potent pot isn't helping the situation.
- code_for_monkey 2y ago
  i would wager its more likely that people who are prone to developing it are more likely to be smoking weed to try to deal with earlier symptoms. Weed isnt a particularly new thing, despite its recent potency.

by jemmyw 2y ago

gonzo41 2y ago

not to be a trope, but Covid maybe?

FollowingTheDao 2y ago
I have schizophrenia and both times I caught COVID my first symptoms was a horrible psychosis. First time almost went to the psych hospital but that is worse than just dealing with the psychosis. Luckily I had a friend who talked me through it and got me some meds. I told my doctors this and they just shrugged. No one cares if you are mentally ill. To add another trope, do not be shocked if EMFs are also found to be contributing. I know, this is coming from a schizophrenic, so whatever.
- technothrasher 2y ago
  Having schizophrenia does not in any way invalidate your conjecture on a possible link between EMF exposure and schizophrenia. However, there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure and various health concerns, including schizophrenia specifically, without much effect shown. So, unlike you, I would be quite surprised if it was found to be contributing. Interestingly though, there have been some studies that show a possible link between schizophrenia and ionizing radiation. (for instance: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11087010/ )
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    > there has been a very large amount of research on EMF exposure What type of EMF exposure? You see, there really has not been studies of real world newer EMF frequencies and none on mmWave exposure that are not only based on the thermal effects. Please see this from 2023: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9665755 However, the available studies have not investigated the health effects resulting from exposure from the 5G mobile phone and base station antennas from 700 MHz to 30 GHz on the cognitive performance, well-being subjective symptoms, human physiological parameters, and EEG of adults. There is a need for such research regarding this current emerging technology. Such studies are significant in determining whether 5G technology is indeed safe for humans.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      There have been some EMF studies showing increased glucose consumption in areas of the brain exposed to it. If I remember correctly, this was related to some cell phone research. There haven't been any studies that I have come across that look deeper into what it might mean long term.
      - magicalhippo 2y ago
        At least several of the early cell phone exposure studies that showed negative effects on rats used irradiation levels that equalled putting your head in a microwave oven. So just keep that in mind before drawing conclusions.
        FollowingTheDao 2y ago
        I think your claim is exaggereated and without evidence. I can assure you, putting a rat in a microwave will damage/kill it, in momonets. But let say they were overpowered, but not at the extent you are claiming. Were these studies "over powered" on purpose? There is evidence that they were to dismiss any health effects in studies completed by companies that make thee devices and this is discussed by researchers.
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empressplay 2y ago
Part of long Covid is Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) which has been found to be comorbid with a number of mental health issues https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10672129/
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Have they recruited patients to test the long Covid hypothesis in places other than Facebook groups? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34563706/
RobotToaster 2y ago
There's evidence of brain damage from COVID[0], and brain damage from things like TBI can cause psychosis. [0] https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070 https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/147/12/4121/7811070
Tade0 2y ago
In a way, I guess? One of the three people suffering from schizophrenia who I know had their first episode when he, in the peak of COVID, could not get any information about his mother who was taken to hospital with COVID. She died, but he didn't learn that before a week after her passing. Such events leave emotional scars on anyone, but can trigger schizophrenia in those who have a family history of the disease.

keybored 2y ago

The inundation of everything that is “on the rise” is enough to make anyone paranoid.

readthenotes1 2y ago
Is paranoia on the rise? It sure seems anxiety is ...
- jeffrallen 2y ago
  Paranoia is not on the rise, it's just that they want you to think it is...
- hinkley 2y ago
  Why are you asking? Who told you to ask? What do they want?

y-curious 2y ago

My money is on: increased cannabis use + social isolation (COVID+short form social media) + more awareness/less stigma of seeking treatment

hinkley 2y ago
We knew a guy who retired at ~30 and was institutionalized by 35. That’s really the only person I’ve been able to watch go off the rails. And in his case it really did seem that the isolation drove the decline, rather than the decline driving the isolation. That was around the time we were first exploring the idea that staying busy with novel problems can delay the onset of dementia. Being around people is perhaps an incentive to keep the wheels on a bit longer. We thought going to work did that for him in a way that parties and lunches with friends did not.
- xdfgh1112 2y ago
  My alcoholism is significantly worse when I am not working, even if I have other things to do. Like week long 24/7 drinking level. That's one of the reasons the FIRE stuff doesn't appeal to me. I have been willfully unemployed and it is not always a bed of roses.
- FuriouslyAdrift 2y ago
  There's the co-founder of Cloudflare (Lee Holloway) who has frontotemporal degenration at a very young age, too... https://www.theaftd.org/posts/front-page/cloudflare-co-founder-who-is-living-with-ftd-profiled-in-wired/ https://www.theaftd.org/posts/front-page/cloudflare-co-found...
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  > Being around people is perhaps an incentive to keep the wheels on a bit longer. I assume that people around you are also more likely to notice issues, and convince you to seek medical help before it's too late.
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suzzer99 2y ago

My friend who's been in psychosis for a year and a half now, and may have schizophrenia (we can't get her to see any doctors), was doing a lot of "microdosing" mushrooms, acid, ecstasy, and plenty of macrodosing too. I think there's a very likely chance this contributed to her falling into psychosis (along with menopause and the stress/idleness of losing her job).

dbspin 2y ago
Could equally be the case that these were coping mechanisms she was using to try to accommodate her early symptoms. The classic addiction story is that at the root of problematic alcohol or drug use there's serious trauma - frequently sexual abuse, early life neglect etc. While these things aggregate (losing her job etc), there could be a common root.
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fortran77 2y ago

I suspect very potent pot isn't helping the situation.

code_for_monkey 2y ago
i would wager its more likely that people who are prone to developing it are more likely to be smoking weed to try to deal with earlier symptoms. Weed isnt a particularly new thing, despite its recent potency.