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Hoarder: Self-hostable bookmark-everything app

• leobg 2y ago
  Anyone using this as an Evernote replacement? I use Evernote since what, 2005, 2008? Yet I hate every time I start it up. Such ugly bloatware it has become. And the silly “AI powered” features tacked on when it became fashionable… Man, replacing it would feel so good.
  • twojacobtwo 2y ago
    I replaced Evernote with Joplin about 5ish years ago. It was super easy in my case, so maybe it's worth checking into. I haven't used the desktop app recently, but it was always snappier than evernote at the very least.
  • bovermyer 2y ago
    I use Obsidian for note-taking and personal knowledge management. I haven't used "save for later" bookmarklets or apps since I quit using Evernote many years ago, though.
    • mrbigbob 2y ago
      If people are interested it was featured hear on HN a day or two ago but Obsidian released an extension called Obsidian Clipper that can save webpages in markdown format. https://github.com/obsidianmd/obsidian-clipper https://github.com/obsidianmd/obsidian-clipper
      • smallpipe 2y ago
        I use it when I need to get a table or something from a webpage. Works really well for small stuff.
      • kalinkochnev 2y ago
        I didn't know this existed for obsidian! This is perfect for me. Thanks for sharing
      • _gtly 2y ago
        Can this plugin work for Chrome on Android? Does anyone have a recommendation for bookmarking and/or webclips on Android?
  • guiriduro 2y ago
    - Pocket for bookmarking. - Onenote for longer form less structured note taking on copied/linked base material or needing exposition (somewhat reluctantly). Occasionally Word. - Anything/Jetbrains : Markdown for short form or dev docsor with intuitively clear sub-structure or heirarchy. (Pseudo)Code and comments for simple codable ideas, python-like. - Scapple for mind-mapping high level concepts, collections of related ideas or things, associations rather than hierarchies
  • be_erik 2y ago
    I use it exactly that way and publish an RSS feed of my archives: https://enlace.space/~erik/rss.xml https://enlace.space/~erik/rss.xml
  • samschoice 2y ago
    I use Joplin since I left Evernote. They have an import for evernote https://joplinapp.org/ https://joplinapp.org/
  • bleomycin 2y ago
    Not sure hoarder is a direct replacement for evernote. As a former long time evernote note user I replaced it with https://notesnook.com https://notesnook.com
• elashri 2y ago
  I tried hoarder and I didn't like the way listed view works. I prefer the simplicity of the view provided by Linkding. I find hoarder new auto tagging with ollama something I want to use because I am lazy. For references there are many options in selfhosted bookmarking apps market. These beside Hoarder are the most known software. Linkwarden (https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden https://github.com/linkwarden/linkwarden) Shaarli (https://github.com/shaarli/Shaarli https://github.com/shaarli/Shaarli) LinkAce (https://www.linkace.org/ https://www.linkace.org/) Linkding (https://github.com/sissbruecker/linkding https://github.com/sissbruecker/linkding) Wallabag (https://wallabag.org/ https://wallabag.org/) Shiori (https://github.com/go-shiori/shiori https://github.com/go-shiori/shiori)
  • raybb 2y ago
    When I use a tool like this one of the most important things is that it works offline so I can read something in a plane or on the go. I've looked into most of these (and instapaper, pocket, etc) and ultimately found Wallabag to be the best. However, their app is quite buggy and site is fairly clunky for my taste. Luckily there's a pretty recent 3rd party client that works offline super well and is on Mac/Linux/android/iOS for free (yay flutter) https://github.com/casimir/frigoligo https://github.com/casimir/frigoligo Also, I'll note that it's basically a must to use the browser extension with the option to download via what the browser sees if you get content from a lot of sites. That being said the devs are super responsive to reports that sites aren't being scraped appropriately. My biggest wish is that they supported YouTube (at least titles) and they had a way to indicate when a article needs to be scraped client side.
    • adr1an 2y ago
      On a plane?, do you self-host in your laptop? Or is the client having a full copy of everything, incl. images?
      • raybb 2y ago
        I don't self-host on a laptop but the client does save a lot offline including images. I assume it's just the "unread" content but I haven't actually looked into that.
• technotarek 2y ago
  FYI the demo’s login credentials are case sensitive for the email field (when they probably shouldn’t be?).
• BOOSTERHIDROGEN 2y ago
  How do you manage restrictions on Reddit and X?
  • lormayna 2y ago
    It's using a chrome instance to access JS enabled sites.
• edoceo 2y ago
  I've one I built called Cras. Store all my neat things I find on the web there. Recently turned it into a PWA so it's a share-target on my phone (Android) which is awesome. It's self-hosted and all packed into SQLite so, IMO, very portable. Recently added a trick to snapshot all the public links I save - my copy and on Archive.is - link rot is real.
  • trestacos 2y ago
    I've been thinking about building a service that makes it easy to self host apps like this. I'm curious if you'd find it useful. It would host webapps like yours that use in browser sqlite to store data, then the service provide a sync their sqlite data across different devices. The user not the app would pay for the storage of the data, so they would own their data. And you can use CSP to lock down the app from sharing with other domains, meaning an app can't leak your data. The service would handle identity (only you can access your sqlite data - the app just ) and could provide an app store like experience with different apps of this type. Sort of like a firebase style backend as a service, but the user would own the data instead of the app.
    • georgebcrawford 2y ago
      Is that what pikapods is? I ask out of ignorance, not "somebody is already doing that".
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      • trestacos 2y ago
        Pikapods looks to be running containers for you, preconfigured for the self hosted apps they support. That's a cool service, I assume there are other similar services around. The concept I'm thinking about is different - it doesn't run any app code on the server, the apps are SPAs that run in the browser only (no backend supporting code), and then the server just syncs the data from the apps. This means the apps can focus on building ux/business logic and not worry about database, how data gets to/from clients, identity, etc. Somewhat like firebase but where the users pays for the server, not the app. That should hopefully be simpler for developers, and theres a lot less likelihood of issues with server config/etc (although presumably pikapod will handle that). It should also be cheaper since you're not constantly running a container, just storing data. I'm not sure if it's a useful concept or not yet :)
• marban 2y ago
  I've saved ~50k .webarchive files from Safari in a single folder, indexed via Spotlight — not an archivist's dream, but I'm a sucker for using anything in the OS stack.
  • UltraSane 2y ago
    How do you save them? I would love to save every page I go to automatically since storage is so cheap and between sites disappearing and the web being so huge it can be impossible to find something later.
• stogot 2y ago
  I just boookmarked this into a “figure out where to put this later” folder, then realized the irony of that action.
  • taude 2y ago
    Went to my para system "0 - Inbox".
• sigmonsays 2y ago
  anyone know how this compares to archivebox? Is it just bookmarks or does it download full pages? Bookmark applications are generally a failure for long term storage because links always change over time.. so i'm not sure what lense to look at this app through.
  • elashri 2y ago
    It does allow content retrieval so it does save local copy. And allow even downloading videos using yt-dl.
  • CRConrad 2y ago
    > Bookmark applications are generally a failure for long term storage because links always change over time.. Combine them with an automatic-upload-to-archive-dot-org-(if-not-there-already?) function, and save the link to that also? Dunno if any bookmarking app has that already. [EDIT:] Heh, look – someone is apparently doing precisely that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42502175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42502175 [/EDIT]
• _ache_ 2y ago
  I use it for months now. It's very good. Some points that can be improved: - Search inside the description of the bookmark, it doesn't. - Update to a new version of hoarder. Since the software isn't stable, it's a real problem. - Related to the previous point => More archive formats. Otherwise, it's a very good software. Easy to use, nice front-end, good UX.
  • InsideOutSanta 2y ago
    Is there an official upgrade path available between versions, or do they currently break things without providing migration?
    • mohamedbassem 2y ago
      Hey, Hoarder's maintainer here. I'd like to know more about the pain you're facing when upgrading hoarder. All the releases since launch has been backward compatible, and it has always been just a matter of updating the docker images. Also for searches, Hoarder indexes all the content of the websites it crawls. If it doesn't for you then that would be a bug!
      • SeriousStorm 2y ago
        Different user here, all of my upgrades have been completely seamless.
• jrm4 2y ago
  So far I love and am probably about to go all in, especially since you can bring your own "AI." Relatedly (and I think the authors are working on it) anyone using local AI for tags and know good ways to tweak (I'm using Ollama and would love to constrain the the tags a bit?)
  • mohamedbassem 2y ago
    Hoarder supports customizing the tagging prompt in the user settings. You can instruct the model with whatever rules you want to constrain the tags to your likings!
• activeradio 2y ago
  really cool!
• apitman 2y ago
  This looks cool *bookmarks it in huge Trello list where cool bookmarks go to die*
• lormayna 2y ago
  I am using it since couple of months and it works really fine. The UI is improved a lot since the first release. Tagging is not the best, but it depends a lot on the AI response
• maestrae 2y ago
  Been looking at these tools and honestly, my big issue is backup - specifically, I want a dead simple way to continuously back up my links to something like S3. Not really interested in relying on the Internet Archive or having to set up and babysit yet another backup system. is it like completely antithetical to the average self-hoster ethos to use the cloud where it makes sense? I really like hoarder, but kind of surprised how many tools either totally skip over backup functionality or treat it as an afterthought (like this Hoarder issue here: https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder/issues/75 https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder/issues/75). Feels like this should be a no-brainer feature, right?
  • nrdvana 2y ago
    If you're hosting it yourself, I would expect that you also make backups of your whole server and/or database if one is involved. A custom backup feature built into the app seems redundant.
  • vorpalhex 2y ago
    Just rclone the docker volume/mount to s3 or what have you. Or you can get fancy and directly do docker volumes in s3 using a storage driver.
• mohamedbassem 2y ago
  Hoarder's maintainer here! What a nice surprise seeing Hoarder on the homepage of hackernews!
  • Fabricio20 2y ago
    I must ask, in your github readme you say "[Planned] Downloading the content for offline reading." but what does that mean in the context of a self hosted application? Isn't the data already downloaded - via the other features such as "Full page archival" and "Automatic fetching". I guess one small request - could the chrome/firefox extension include a way to transfer the page data from the browser, as it's being displayed to the user? (as in, transfer the entire page/html instead of the page's link). This would likely result in much better support for nasty sites like twitter and such that require credentials, etc..!
    • mohamedbassem 2y ago
      The offline reading thing is bad wording from my side. I mean offline reading on the mobile app (when you don't have internet access / access to the server). As for your request, we're tracking this in (https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder/issues/172 https://github.com/hoarder-app/hoarder/issues/172), which aims to do exactly what you're asking for.
  • jonotime 2y ago
    Question for ya since I'm working on an app with similar platforms - and dont know what I'm doing. I see you used expo for the mobile apps but nextjs for the web app. Why didnt you use expo for the web app too?
  • DanielBryars 2y ago
    FYI: On the login, it tripped me up a couple of times because the username is case sensitive. There is a tradeoff between security, useability, and support requests; the input is labelled email, and email addresses are usually not case sensitive (and as email addresses used as email addresses are never case sensitive) so it confused me.
• garrisonj 2y ago
  These types of projects always look really cool, but I always doubt they will be maintained so I decide not to use them.
  • _-_-__-_-_- 2y ago
    I have to agree. I've been using standard notes, and honestly, will probably end up just paying for it.
  • bravura 2y ago
    Does it really matter if it's simple to export your data and then import to another bookmark manager?
• nirav72 2y ago
  Hoarder has been great. Was finally able to dump my annual $40 Pocket subscription. Auto tagging using LLM works well. Only issue I have is that mobile app doesn’t allow offline storage and viewing.
• anovick 2y ago
  Seems like the tag system is flat, which is a big limitation on the organization capability. For example, I noticed that in the demo access app, there's a note about cooking, and it has 4 tags: - `baking` - `cupcakes` - `oven cooking` - `recipe` This would get out of hand quickly. There should be a hierarchy of tags (categories): `cupcakes` in `baking` in `oven cooking` in `recipe` The only tag needed in this case for the note would be `cupcakes`
  • oDot 2y ago
    Hi there! I am extremely glad to read someone else write about this necessity! I own and operate a "list-taking" app[0] in which every list/kanban-item can itself be a list/kanban. I currently use it for things I'm the creator of -- tasks, story outlines, etc, but looking to introduce 3rd party content for task management (I want to see GitHub tasks from work next to my own tasks) and, as you say, knowledge management of things like recipes or music. Items could be part of one or multiple hierarchies. A list of "cake" recipes could be under both "baking" and "party essentials", and music playlists could include other playlists. As you can tell, this can become convoluted in my mind, and so if that's something that's interesting to you (or anyone reading this), please reach out and let's discuss! hn at nestful.app [0] https://nestful.app https://nestful.app
    • pm 2y ago
      I may have come across your app before in passing, but hadn't checked it out. I playtested aspects of a "productivity system" (grain of salt) with paper earlier this year. "Spontaneous productivity" mirrors some of my own thinking on the subject, especially the JIT and bubbling aspects and how they work together. I haven't seen how it works in the case of Nestful, but I'm keen to try it out. It may adjust the design principles guiding development.
  • mohamedbassem 2y ago
    The tagging system is indeed flat, but the lists can be nested. The idea being that tags are usually AI generated, and there's a lot of them (which is useful for search), but lists are meant for manual curation and this is where you can have whatever structure you want.
• SeriousStorm 2y ago
  Love this app. The only thing on my wishlist is a way to "discover" stuff I've bookmarked before when googling. So the extension would search Hoarder when I search Google (or wherever search engine) and give me a list of those next to my Google search or in the extension drop-down. I sometimes forget that I bookmarked a solution 3 weeks ago, and now I'm searching for that solution again. I think Evernote had something like this when I was using it.
  • johntash 2y ago
    I haven't tried Hoarder yet, but Linkding has a linkding-injector extension that does this. It's pretty useful.
• evolve2k 2y ago
  When I think hoarder, there’s a different app I want. We’ve got a shed full of boxes and bags of stuff. Want an easy way to take pics of the contents of a box and the “box number” and be able to browse for the box or specific contents later. Eg a home archive solution. Anyone know of tools for that?
  • jhogendorn 2y ago
    Inventree or homebox are what you want.
• smcnally 2y ago
  Hoarder has a chrome plugin, Firefox addon, and apps for Android and iOS for which the app store says something I’ve never seen before: “Data Not Collected — The developer does not collect any data from this app.”
  • doctaj 2y ago
    Noice.
• on_the_train 2y ago
  > with a touch of AI It's fascinating even to myself how fast I closed the tab. The annoyance and oversaturation with "ai" is on a level I didn't think was possible
  • msephton 2y ago
    Yet in this case quite useful
    • on_the_train 2y ago
      I doubt it
      • msephton 2y ago
        No reason to doubt, it can be proved empirically
  • CRConrad 2y ago
    But in this case, as I understood it, fully optional? (Maybe not, only read it rather cursorily.) So in that case, might be useful anyway. Otherwise, yeah, me too.
    • on_the_train 2y ago
      Optional mitigates, but doesn't completely null the poisoning. People are still very allergic to inclusion of crypto stuff in software (as another example), even if it's optional.
  • oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
    Tbh, it sounds like 'good' AI to me. This isn't putting anyone out of a job and it's apparently optional. What's more, it can be configured to work locally, so that should take care of privacy concerns.
    • Anamon 2y ago
• heyheyyouyouqq 2y ago
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• WillAdams 2y ago
  It's a nice idea, but really, bookmarks aren't enough. I can still distinctly remember reading a site which had Barry Hughart's typewritten notes for his novels (_Bridge of Birds_, _The Story of the Stone_, and _Eight Skilled Gentlemen_), and I considered saving the files for the image scans, but didn't figuring they would always be available. Since then, he has passed away and the pages in question vanished (no idea on what order that occurred), and I haven't been able to figure out who is in charge of his literary estate, nor where his papers are stored. I'd give a lot for someone to write a book examining his writings in a scholarly context. If I think something might be interesting enough to read later, I print it to a PDF --- as a bonus, that means I can send it to my Kindle Scribe to read at my convenience.
• hodanli 2y ago
  Memex is the tool I use for a similar purpose, but I still cannot find a link that I know I saved. I think this problem is not solved yet.
• asdefghyk 2y ago
  I've given up on all these bookmark things, just automatically save page text to PC . Have a simple tool I can quickly search theses files. That's it for me. Years ago, pinboard started well, but the developers ignored support requests is its fatel problem for me.
• lakomen 2y ago
  No browser plugin?
• sowrabh 2y ago
  I currently use Reader by Readwise for this purpose. 3 main things I look for in such an app are: 1. Ability to save everything including PDFs etc. 2. Ability to read offline 3. Some ability to summarize, send some reminders to read etc. are an added bonus. I'm not sure on the support for PDFs with hoarder-app, the github README doesn't seem to mention anything about it.
  • fivestones 2y ago
    The first item in the feature list for Hoarder is “ Bookmark links, take simple notes and store images and pdfs.”
• norswap 2y ago
  Is there a way to import existing corpuses? Thinking in particular of browser bookmark exports and Notion, I'm sure other people would like something else. Being able to parse any kind of text file for links would be great + full-text search in text files / markdown.